Solid state amplifiers and sound stage, especially front to back "depth"


I've been enjoying my trial period with the Van Alstine SET 400 stereo amplifier. When I'm done and have collected my thoughts, I may write up a summary.

In the meantime, a question for folks with more experience. I've noticed is that the amp produces a sound stage that is nicely defined and articulate from left to right, but not as much from front to back. (My Adcom was also unable to create sound stage depth.) I know my room is capable of that sound stage because my tube amp accomplishes it.

Question: Is it typical of solid state amps to have less of a front to back sound stage than tube amps? Do they vary in this regard? Or, perhaps, am I failing to do something -- such as re-position my speakers? (After all, I immediately get that sound stage back when I switch amplifier without moving anything else.)

If you have any experience with solid state amplifiers and sound stage -- front to back, left to right, or whatever, I'm curious.

This is not about me keeping or not keeping the amp. There are many things I already really like about it. But I'm wondering about this aspect.

Thanks.
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Showing 2 responses by mapman

No doubt different amps will have different transfer functions that could result in the parts of the signal that determine imaging and soundstage, many of which are very low level, being reproduced differently.
A linear transfer function is generally what is desired on paper but it’s likely the case that no two amps have exactly the same transfer function be it linear or not so linear. Transfer functions that emphasize the lower level parts of the signal that determine soundstage and imaging could even be artificially emphasized in a way that increases soundstage and imaging even if that is less linear. I would expect that amps that soft clip where dynamic range is compressed (many tube amps) and that also feature very low noise floors could excel in soundstage and imaging. Even if an artificial artifact of the amps non linear transfer function when soft clipping it might be regarded as a desirable effect.

In that context, my Bel Canto ref1000m amps also do soft clip but effectively never do in that they are 500 w/ch into 8 ohm doubling into 4 ohm. However, they are also absolutely dead quiet so together the effortless dynamics and low noise floor combine for quite exceptional soundstage and imaging (also dynamics) I would say with a very linear transfer function. Nothing artificial there.
Regarding an amp or any other electronic gear upstream’s relative ability to do imaging, it’s generally about achieving low distortion and detail retrieval. That is needed to best deliver the spatial cues that enable imaging captured in a recording completely. Then how the recording is made is the other in big factor.
Then of course the speakers setup and room acoustics determine exactly how those cues are rendered and imaging and soundstage actually produced.
The best soundstage depth Ive ever heard by a huge margin was an all mbl system with SS amplification set up in a highly customized showroom. With master recording R2R as a source you could easily identify exact location of individual orchestra instruments both front to back and side to side in a large tapered rectangular area. That was at now defunct United Home Audio in Annapolis Junction, MD several years back. Nothing else I’ve ever heard comes close on regards to precise 3-d soundstage and imaging depth. Totally holographic. Same setup by same vendor was just OK at local shows in more conventional and less optimized room setups.

In my system, holographic soundstage and imaging took a big leap forward when I introduced the Bel Canto ref1000m Class D amps to my Ohm Walsh speakers. It was totally disorienting at first until my ears latched on to what was happening. Night and day from prior Class A Musical Fidelity SS amp.