Small Office - Wilson vs B&W vs Kef


All hail the collective knowledge of Audiogon  - last time you talked me out of wasting money on upgrading my ceiling speakers (I ended up just buying a Sonos:Amp to power what I already had up there and called it a day).
So now with all of that money saved, I'm toying with the idea of replacing the stereo in my office. I won't even say what I have now (If it ain't got no highs... and it ain't got no lows...). Yeah, you get the gist.
The office is about 11' x 12' - I think this limits the size of the speakers that I'd like to put in there since I won't be sitting very far from the speakers.
Some contenders that I've been toying with:
  • B&W 805 D3
  • Kef Reference 1
  • Wilson Watt/Puppy
Amp is TBD, but I find those blue meters to be strangely attractive...
Thoughts on the selection? Any of these "too big" for my confined space?
Thanks!
eisenb11

Showing 3 responses by erik_squires

I make my own loudspeakers, so I have 2 calibrated microphones. The issue with convolution are several.

I mean, by all means, go ahead and try it. The issues are in my mind that you cannot fix room acoustic issues such as reflection points from speaker output alone, measuring how we perceive sound in a non-anechoic field is hard, and lastly, most of us are just not that sensitive to the phase issues these systems purport to fix. All of these points are made better by Floyd Toole than me, but I’m in agreement. What I haven’t seen him do is complain about the CPU needed to execute them.

One critical point Toole makes, which convolution filters cannot solve, is that how we perceive sound is not how a microphone does. Dirac is one type of product that has some interesting techniques to address this, so if you are going with the hammer approach to using DSP, I’d suggest looking into DiracLive instead.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against EQ, I’m against expecting too much from them. Convolution filters are cute, and naive. In a heavily treated room with 1 listening location I am sure they’ll work fine. Dirac seems to have a much more sophisticated approach to how they calculate their filters and attempts to deal with the criticism Toole makes. Personally, I’m on the team of using room treatment plus a few carefully chosen filters to fix what I must, and I am extremely happy that way.

And lets not forget speaker dispersion.  Hsu and Klipsch make some small 2-ways with horn loaded tweeters which are probably going to sound a lot better in cramped spaces.
Convolution filters attempt to completely perfect the output of a speaker.  They're IMHO over hyped, and limited in their effectiveness.

Better to get speakers you like the sound of and use DSP with a delicate hand. Here's how I used Roon to clean up my own room response.

https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-snr-1-room-response-and-roon.html
The B&W speakers all sound like B&W speakers, in my mind, so you have to want that particular sound. You can’t really exchange them. Make yourself happy.

I am not sure about the Tune tots but may I suggest bespoke speakers from Fritz? The bass in the small 2-way is pretty amazing for the size. Talk to him about your placement issues, he can make you speakers specifically for close-wall placement. I think you’ll find it a better sounding and higher value choice. Fritz uses similar or better drivers but to my ear he tunes them better than Wilson, and can do custom arrangements.  Personally, I prefer the units with the ring radiators.

I am not very familiar with McIntosh, but I ended up with a Luxman integrated and am very happy.