Shure V15Vmr or Ortofon OM20 Super?

If you think that the Shure is lean, you won't like the Ortofon at all. The Ortofon is much quicker sounding with better definition whereas the Shure is slower with less separation. If the Ortofon were an active component, it would remind of Musical Fidelity gear. Nice to listen to but lacking in body and warmth.

Depending on the mass of your arm and versatility of your phono stage, you might want to check into some of the various Grado cartridges. Grado's are to cartridges what Cardas are to cables i.e. warm and smooth while still retaining a good portion of high frequency articulation. Sean
>

Hi Marty, I recently restylied two 20 plus year old carts, a Shure M91ED and Ortofon TM20U, at the same time. Useful Shure info/facts at:
http://shure.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/shure.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php

Good service and OEM styli from authorized Shure/Ortofon dealer at:
www.garage-a-records.com/cart.html
Guaranteed genuine and ten percent off the second stylus was hard to beat. Good people too, no relation.

Having only one headshell I ran the Ortofon first because in my case it has the higher pedigree/cost more. Of the two the Ortofon has a more refined and extended sound. The Shure is more robust and dynamic with a deeper midrange. Plus the M91ED is higher output at .5v than the .4v of the TM20U.

FWIW and all things considered, especially the phono stage in the Threshold FET nine/e which has extension to spare, the Shure works better for me. It simply has a rightness the Ortofon lacks. The Ortofon might be smoother but it's drier too, close but not quite limp in comparison to the bold Shure. Once again system matching is the key.

So, for the moment the Ortofon is back in it red velvet casket for the day my system returns to the dark side and its lighter tone is once again required. According to Shure their MM carts don't wear out. Yep, sounds unbelievable but mine sounds better than ever!

Great input, description and analysis from the pevious two, agree entirely, for what that's worth. If you find the Shure already lean, then definitely look at the Grados. In your budget range is also an NOS cartridge which appears quite often at your price, the ADC XLM MKII, which would actually be up in Grado Platinum territory in terms of ultimate sound quality, big, bold, detailed and warm all at the same time. Check ebay, and good luck.

Ortofon om20 super?? why? That would be a downgrade!! I replaced my om20 super with a shure m97xe and couldn't be happier. much more body and a more natural tone and presentation.

Marty: Did you ever experiment with the loading that you were using with your Grado's? It is possible to play games with tonal balance and transient response by doing so. Having said that, i still find the Grado's to be a bit on the "warm & smooth" side as noted in my above post. As one climbs in price, this becomes less of a factor i.e. the higher that you go in the Grado product line, the more open and spacious the sound becomes.

You should try running a Stanton 881S Mk II with the original D88S stylus that is available from KAB Electro-Acoustics on their Stanton page.

Adjust your phono loading for appr 47K and experiment with the total capacitance, taking into account the tonearm cabling and interconnects used. Depending on your personal preferences and system traits, you should find that this cartridges likes somewhere around 180 - 225 pF of TOTAL capacitance. Running this cartridge at Stanton's recommended 275 pF's doesn't work as well as they think it does.

Using this approach, the original 881S or 881S Mk II with the D88S stylus provides very even response across the band. Even though treble response is pretty clean ( this is NOT a high dollar MC cartridge ) and extends to well beyond 20 KHz, it is not "sharp" or "etched" sounding in the least. In this respect, the Ortofon OM series will have more treble "zing" or "attack" if that is what you are after. This cartridge demonstrates good lateral spread and better than average depth. On top of that, it is an excellent tracker and the stylus shape is very good at preserving your precious vinyl, keeping the noise floor nice and low.

Before buying an 881S Mk II from anyone else, try calling Kevin at KAB and see if he'll get you one. He used to sell them, but for some reason, doesn't stock them anymore. Either way, i would HIGHLY recommend picking up the D88S stylus from him and using that. The D88S is a FAR superior stylus to what comes stock on the current 881S Mk II. This would give you a brand new cartridge with a spare stylus for somewhere around $225 or so.

The Stanton works best in a low mass arm as it is quite high in compliance. In this regards, Shure's are more "universal" cartridges as they are lower in compliance. This allows them to work in both low and medium mass arms a little better. Given that i don't know what arm that you are running, i thought that this might be kind of important to know BEFORE spending any money : ) Sean
>

PS... The Ortofon OM series are all identical in terms of their cartridge body. One can buy a used OM-10 for next to nothing and then upgrade to an OM-30 stylus for less than the cost of a new OM-30. I also remember Agon member Zuki selling Ortofon OM series cartridges at VERY reasonable prices if one liked the Ortofon sound.

I would skip the Stanton for use with these specific arms and not being able to alter the loading wouldn't help either. Off the top of my head, i can't think of another inexpensive cartridge to go with. Sorry i'm not much help on this one : ) Sean
>

Shure all the way: sound accuracy due to the high tracability!
bought my first high quality cartridge in 1987 - Shure V15-V MR and never regretted that. couble of years later after this changed it for Shure Ultra 500 and have lived happily since!