Should people who can't solder, build or test their speakers be considered audiophiles?
Yes, hope you guys have a good 4TH, too! My wife, youngest son and I are going to Chicago to visit my oldest son for the weekend, he lives near Montrose and Oak st. beaches on the north side. A thong, face mask and "Trump Happens" hat are a hip look for a 62 year old guy with a cane on a Chicago beach nowadays, right? Tim |
"Tim, Part of what is so amusing about all this is I have stated clearly, more than once, why I posted and still deep thinkers try and figure it all out." Hello mahlman, I wasn't really trying to figure it all out, just sort of skimming through your thread and must have missed your explanation about why you posted. But I'll take your word for it, my fault and no harm no foul. Thanks, Tim Report this |
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Inside joke between mahlman and sokogear? And mahlman thinks most of us didn't read the posts with close enough attention to get it? C'mon mehlman, knock it off. Tim " Part of what is so amusing about all this is I have stated clearly, more than once, why I posted and still deep thinkers try and figure it all out. |
glupson "Good move as you had bottomed out with your own."We have two bottoms moving. >>>>And one of them with glubson’s nose still in it. 🤗 |
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Mahlman was making fun of Sokogear's elitist post w.r.t. whether you
needed to have a turntable or R-R to be considered an audiophile, then
went on to equate it to the difference between Porsche SUV drivers and
Porsche sports car drivers (Porschefiles). Surprisingly or not
surprisingly that was lost on many.
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Mahlman was making fun of Sokogear's elitist post w.r.t. whether you needed to have a turntable or R-R to be considered an audiophile, then went on to equate it to the difference between Porsche SUV drivers and Porsche sports car drivers (Porschefiles). Surprisingly or not surprisingly that was lost on many. |
Like pcrhk mentioned earlier, these forums are a means for us all to have the freedom of just calling things as we see them or hear them, like an umpire calling balls and strikes. We're just generally doing it in essay form. rather than true-false or positive-negative, and doing it with regards to a/v equipment, room acoustic treatments and source content and with price/ performance ratios baked in. An umpire improves his performance through knowledge and experience, an accurate knowledge of the strike zone and the experience of seeing many pitches, closely examining each pitch's qualities and worthiness, before rendering his decision based on the merits. Hmmm, grasshoppers, perhaps the essence of being an audiophile or videophile is very much like being an umpire? Of course, we're not all reliably objective umpires since we each have varying levels of knowledge of the audio and video strike zones as well as personal and subjective factors that influence our judgment decisions. Factors such as general audio/video performance characteristic preferences as well as preferences for specific component technology types and even brands tend to skew judgments from objective and toward subjective, much like a bribe tends to skew an umpire's judgments to be less objective. Experience is important for gaining a good understanding of the performance capabilities of currently available technology, equipment and source content. It also allows one to compare and contrast the performance levels of available a/v equipment, room acoustic treatments and source content based on their own merits. I continue to believe mahlman's premise on this thread is misguided, unnecessarily exclusionary, irrelevant and possesses absolutely zero intrinsic value. However, I also believe a thread premise, about what qualities an effective and competent audiophile or videophile should ideally possess, would constitute a reasonable, inclusive, relevant and valuable endeavor. Unfortunately, I consider myself as an a/v, HT and music enthusiast and lack the motivation, interest and time to do so. Just calling them like I see, hear or double-naught figure them. Tim |
What this thread needs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CpCB4YmAA4 |
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isochronism geoff, You can’t take what you dish out? You delete some of your posts after I deliver comeback zingers! HA 😝 >>>>>As usual everything’s topsy turvy, me topsy you turvy, spider man 🕷 Your posts are childish and tickle. |
"It should come as no surprise that audio, like other hobbies, has a bottom. " ....🤨....y'all have been lividly living up to That nadir rather effectively imho... ...but don't let me interrupt...I haven't seen this level of carnage around here for awhile. OK...."Lord of the Flies, 'Audiodefiled Version', take 355.... ACTION!" |
isochronism2,044 posts07-01-2020 7:33pmgeoff, You can't take what you dish out? You delete some of your posts after I deliver comeback zingers! HA 😝 Yep time after time, of course it had nothing to do with the thread.. Just between the three Musketeers, thanks...ay...I can solder, some. Regards |
What along opinion. My response, Really? Well I guess everyone has a right to tell it like they see it. That being said, being technical about the innards of electronics in audio has absolutely nothing to do with enjoying the music. I have an innuos mini mk II I am trying to get working on my system. It is recognized by my LAN but.....Orange sweeze is not connecting. While checking out the sound of innuos at the dealer using two huge mono block parasound amps, some exotic DAC running on two $20,000 large speaker towers. Did I need to take the lid off of each to appreciate the sound? No! Did I need to remove speaker components? No! The enjoyment and collection of music is an audiophile. And my 45 year old Crown amps out spec it all for THD, IM distortion, S/N ratio Just specs. Thats all. You do not need to be an audiophile to love and enjoy the hobby, and you do not have to be rich to have a great sounding system. In my case streaming will allow my poor mans budget the luxury of picking, organising 100s of tracks at $20 / month. I do not need an audiophile collection of LPs, CDs or tens of thousands in electronics to enjoy it. I do not need to inspect the soldier joints either. |
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can't believe how long this has gone on. I think this thread proves
that one of the main requirements to be an audiophile is the ability to
obsess over what obviously doesn't matter. I'm gonna go buy an
Audioquest dragon hc power cable to demonstrate my chops.
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I say the OP isn’t a real audiophile because He doesn’t record his own music tracks. How can you judge fidelity of playback when you have no idea what the original event sounded like? And if someone is into LP’s but don’t cut their own vinyl, what kind of enthusiast is that? No lathe? Then no love... is my saying. |
I have wound inductors, soldered crossovers, upgraded components in amplifiers, built many many cables, and speakers.... However, before any of that, and before my Instrumentation and electronics degree, I was already an audiophile. I consider myself an audiophile because I like to listen to music on a better than basic resolving audio system. @geoffkait so how'd it sound after the silver wire? |
Exactly, limomangus. The only reason I know how to solder is because I had to be proficient to pass a H S electronics course. I'm not really proud of this skill, haven't used it since that class and, hopefully, I won't have a need to the rest of this life. I respect the gear designers, admire the quality, precision and the looks of the a/v gear but I love to use it for music and HT more than anything else. I'm certain there are no prerequisites or qualifications for being an a/v enthusiast, videophile or audiophile beyond those mentioned and I don't believe there should be. My goals are relaxation and enjoyment, not pretentions, restrictions, snobbery and exclusivity. It seems to me that mahlman would benefit from some chillaxing. Enjoy Tim |
All these posts getting deleted, one a my recent ones as well with one of these reasons given for the deletion:
I'm guessing no. 2 and 4 read from above. My post contained the word 'crap' written once - I wonder if that qualifies as proper grounds for deletion? Other than that I provided my perspective in a sought considered manner, making me think: I doubt the @admins are all over this place constantly doing their ninja thing all on their own turning "unfortunate" posts into digital smoke; there's this option called 'Report this' that when used affects their decision making, and something tells me this option is used in a liberal fashion by some posters simply because they find certain posts by others to rub them the wrong way or otherwise make them feel offended, as if being in honest disagreement sanctions censorship against the other part. Isn't there enough vileness, bashing and empty calories going on already that evades the admins? Let the hypocrisy continue.. |
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