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Instead of bragging about finding Russian tubes to buy, you could always support Putin’s horror show in other ways.

 

Yeesh.

Most of us purchasing Russian tubes right now (or right before they became unavailable) are purchasing from the usual western or local tube vendors. (E.g. I live near The Tube Store).

These vendors had already purchased the tubes - most of them before any invasion occurred - so we aren’t sending money to Russia. We are actually supporting western vendors who would be stuck with product they couldn’t sell (if everyone went "Proud American" like you) and who need to make a living, the same vendors we have supported up until now.

 

Think this through a little more before the virtue signaling, ok?

On the topic of the thread:  After over 20 years of owning my CJ Premier 12 monoblocks I only got in to tube rolling in the past 5 months or so.  Previously if I had to retube I'd just go straight to the Tung Sol 6550s recommended by CJ.

 

I have been blown away by the sound of the Tung Sol KT120s.   Great timing to get in to these tubes, huh?

It's been wild seeing all the tube vendors raising prices and then ultimately closing shop for now.   I sure hope they (and other manufacturers of tube equipment) come out of this ok.

Fortunately I was able to grab a spare set from a vendor who hadn't raised his prices yet.   Also grabbed some spare NOS GE input tubes, and at the VERY last minute snuck in an order at The Tube Store for EH 6922s late friday night for my CJ preamp (the only tubes I like in that preamp - recommended by CJ).   Then the store went down.  Luckily I was told today my tubes had shipped so...whew...just under the wire!

I hope to have my premier 12s running well in to the future.

 

Prof, if you purchase Russian tubes and they are restocked via China, as mentioned in a post above, you should consider if you might be supporting the Russian economy by doing so.

 

No, the Russian tubes simply won't be getting to our shores at this point.  Purchasing the existing Russian tubes from local vendors does not mean you have supported Russia or that Russian tubes will be restocked.  It's supporting local vendors who are STUCK with that product!   We'd only be hurting local vendors and that's it.

It seems you also want us to not purchase any Chinese tubes either?  Well that's pretty much it for tubes then.  I guess you are fine with many of the long time tube vendors going out of business?    Nobody can use their tube amps anymore?

Should we boycott everything from China?  (Good luck).  Boycot everything from anywhere that is doing ANYTHING wrong?  (That will be almost every country).

It makes more sense to focus actions during ACUTE emergencies on that which will actually have some direct effect.   Not purchasing the current local vendor stock of Russian tubes may make you feel better, but it wouldn't do ANYTHING to help Ukrainians. 

 

 

 

skyscraper,

 

No worries.  I understand your position.  My post was more directed at those I quoted.

Cheers.

So much silliness! Folks have all this concern over tubes from Russia and how their availability impacts this or that, rather than the innocent people in harms way who are the real victims.

And:

Wow such ugly Americans, worried about Tubes.

 

Why do people keep posting these facile virtue signaling posts?  As if YOU are the only one who "really cares" about what is going on in the war?

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Because we are posting here about the tube situation DOES NOT MEAN that we don't care about what is happening in the world or about the plight of Ukraine.

The fact we are talking about AUDIO GEAR in an AUDIO GEAR FORUM, and TUBES in in the AMPLIFIER forum, is because THAT's what we discuss here.

This is NOT WHERE I COME TO TALK ABOUT THE WAR.

I, and I'm sure others here, do enough of that elsewhere.  It's all over the news, it's most of what we talk about among friends, it's what we are horrified over, worry about.  I have dear friends with parents, brothers and sisters in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus who are beside themselves with worry.   Not only that, it's gone beyond the Ukraine and we are ALL being held hostage by a madman waving nuclear weapons at the West!  I'm worried about the people of Ukraine, and inspired by their bravery.  I'm also looking at my own kids hoping THEY have a future too.

Please, take your bloody sanctimony elsewhere.  You don't really know a damned thing about what people think, or who they know, or what they are going through just because they posted here about tube amps.   What are you doing spending time on a audio forum when Ukrainian are dying?  What a first world thing to do.  Have you no conscience?

Uh, a maniac is murdering humans and your biggest issue is, "can I get tubes for my billion dollar stereo?"

You did it. I am speechless.

Exactly, that’s the strawman that keeps getting thrown around.

I’m also wondering if we have enough pasta for our dinner tonight or if I can book a haircut today. "Wait, a maniac is murdering humans and your biggest issue is "can I find pasta or book a haircut???!!! You monster!"

No, of course I don’t think "that’s the biggest issue in the world!" That’s absurd - but we all have to still live life and all have our ongoing personal concerns which doesn’t for a second mean we think they are as important as the people being killed in Ukraine. It’s just such an absurd strawman.

 

You could put the concerns of literally EVERYTHING anyone is talking about on this forum right now in the same strawman context. "People are dying in Ukraine and all you care about is discussing speakers?" And since every day of every year there are large numbers of people suffering terribly, you could say we are all without conscience to even be discussing First World Privileges like high end audio gear.

As if we don’t have any sense of proportion, as if we actually think "not getting the tubes for my amp" is somehow on par with the destruction of free human life. As if nobody here has a sense of proportion and can understand how fortunate we may be with respect to how others may be suffering.

This type of virtue-signalling scolding really is the most uncharitable approach where you just assume the worst character possible on someone else, don’t even bother thinking the other person has a sense of proportion, mostly to make yourself feel or look better. It’s so lazy. That’s why it p*sses me off so much.