Ruminations On CD Players


After multiple factory rebuilds, I'm ready to replace my twenty year old Arcam CD-73 CD player.  I've looked through lists of recommended CD players in the $2000 range, and have noticed that some are all-inclusive while others have separate transports and DACs.  Other than ease of replacement, what are the benefits of having the transport and DAC separate?  Any recommendations on CD players in this price range?  I only have music CDs so don't need anything that can do more than that.

 

Thanks,

John Cotner

New Ulm, MN

jrcotner

Showing 10 responses by nonoise

@soix 

"unfairly diss streaming".....you talk like you're dating and defending her honor. Your chivalry is misplaced. 

"not knowing what you're talking about" ....yes, I do, and you're starting to sound a lot like freddy.

"unsolicited disinformation'....give me a break. This is not your personal sandbox and goes contrary to what you said earlier about having a say in something.

"ha!"....meh

All the best,
Nonoise

@soix 

You are the one that brought up your “perceived” limitations of streaming and brought this off topic, not me.

And here's the OP's query:

Any recommendations on CD players in this price range?  I only have music CDs so don't need anything that can do more than that.

Tell me how it's me that took this off topic?

Just wait for the other members to chime in later. I can wait.

All the best,
Nonoise

@soix Oh brother, are you being anal today. I brought up what I see as limitations of a medium and you take it oh so personally, like I attacked you and you only. Your caveat about "counter to my experience" is running a bit thin and the only valid thing you have to say about the matter so leave it at that.

As for letting the chips fall where they may, that is something you should practice and not just preach. And yes, others will chime in later in the day, as is their wont. Almost to a person, they'll say the same thing I did: why the heck are people touting things that the OP asked not to, and why is it always the same people? 

To fall back on "differing opinions" of a nature not germane to the OP's query clearly sidesteps the issue. You were called out so let those chips fall. As for opening my mind, it is. I won't pay for amounts to background music that I can get on my radio.

All the best,
Nonoise

@soix 

This happens all the time. Someone asks about CDPs or CDTs and members like you take a crap on the thread and talk about streaming to the point of shoving it down their throats. Get a life. Your turn will come when another thread about streaming pops up.

Your persistent need to elevate yourself above me and others is downright weird and off-putting. Continue with your belief that you're in the majority and superior to all others who don't do as you do if it gives you the warm and fuzzies. You sound like you need all the support you can get.

Do you get a subpoena from Jack Smith? Is that what accounts for your foul attitude? 

All the best,
Nonoise

@soix 

Getting rather picky for my typing too quickly and leaving out an "r", eh?

"At least on Qobuz" isn't representative of the entire industry.

I never said I can't randomly find music online as I do it all the time without streaming. It's just that you're more likely to see something new in a store setting by accident.

I'm not saying streaming is some substandard way to discover new music. You're just putting words in my mouth so you'll have some made up motive to attack. I'm not speaking our of total ignorance. Project much? Your defensive nature and knee jerk reaction is completely out of line to this discussion. To say I'm in the "extreme minority"  because you don't want to go back to CDs speaks of some unresolved issues you have so keep them to yourself.

The OP wanted advice on CDPs stating he wanted only views on that so chill down and stop pushing your agenda.

All the best,
Nonoise

@lalitk 

I did not mean this to be a debate, just a matter of differing opinions.

@dabel 

Hey, two out of three ain't bad at all. 😄 Despite CDs not doing as well as vinyl and streaming here, stateside, CDs have double the sales of vinyl in Germany and England. I don't think CDs are going anywhere for the foreseeable future. 

All the best,
Nonoise

@lalitk 

No, it's not the same for the very same reason you brought up: physical touch, which was my point. Akin but not exact. Everyone who pushes streaming sounds like they're reciting ad copy from the manufacture. Others here have pointed out that all that's out there doesn't really appeal to them. Same with me. 

The main point of my take was that there's music out there in a store setting that you happen upon whereas with streaming you have to intentionally look for something you have no idea of exists. No algorithm is going to push that at you.

For the price of one CD you have a tenuous hold on all that music as the provider can change or drop it at will. You never really own it. You're just renting it, and by the sound of it, hoarding it. Some of the time it's not what they say it is (HiRez). There is also music that is only on CD that's not available online (certain versions, takes, special editions, rare venues, etc.).

If this were happening in China (which we're starting to emulate) you'd all be getting high marks for being that good citizen/consumer.

All the best,
Nonoise

 

I just read that online shopping hurts new product discovery. When you go to a grocery store, you buy whatever you like and come across. When you buy on Instacart, you buy the same thing as last time, so low variety. Online grocery shopping makes product demand less elastic.

People can buy whatever book they want on Amazon but by going to a bookstore you can buy what you weren't looking for. Online shopping hurts new product discovery compared to in-person shopping. 

Despite what you think you're doing online, an algorithm is pushing what it thinks you'll like base on past preferences and buying habits/records. Not what I'd call exploring but more of a guided tour. There are sites that map out music similar to the artist you like but I rarely, if ever, like them.

This is why I miss places like Borders where they used to have these vast collections of physical media (CDs) and plenty of listening stations with headphones. I'd spend inordinate amounts of time listening to all manner of music, making myself try out all types and genres of music. 

Call me a hunter-gatherer. It's in my DNA. I'll stick to CDPs.

All the best,
Nonoise

Stick with a CD player. In your price range there are plenty of options. You get a one box option without the extra cabling. 

All the best,
Nonoise