It’s half the price of the CD 100k cap so that would be great. Size seems to be about the same as whats in there. No I have never measured the voltage, only had it open for the first time recently. Noble does transformer upgrades and things for EAD parts, and didn’t mention going up. I believe he helped design these. What is the difference, of the original cap being -10/+75%, compared to the TDK cap that is a flat 20%? Can the CD store basically 175,000uf if needed? That seems to be the only parameter that is making this replacement really difficult.
Ripple current Q for amp capacitors
I have a pair of EAD powermaster 1000's in my theater. The older one is at least 25 years old I think, and developed a slight hum I could hear in the theater. So I popped it open, did a cap inventory and replaced them all. I checked every one of the main amp caps as I pulled them out, and surprisingly they all seemed really good still, within tolerance.
But I didn't replace the two large filter caps. I had searched for a 100,000uf CD cap online, clicked on the link to Mouser, and purchase 4 (2 for each amp.. figured I would do both). However when all the caps arrived, I realized in my haste the link was to 10,000uf caps instead.. DOH! So I went back and tried to find the matching caps.. expensive! And to top that off, when I "could" find some (Ebay mainly), the date code was around the year 2000 as well so they were about the same age. Digikey has a lead time to about December.. and also over $200cdn each.
The original spec was a Cornell Dubilier, 100000uf 50v -10%/+75% cap. They do have a 100v version in stock, half the price, and actually shorter than the 50v version.
But my question is this.. when I search online for whether a low or high ripple current is preferable for an audio amp, I get both answers.. low is better because then it filters better, to high being better because that means the cap can handle more ripple and heat. Which is correct?
The 50v version is:
7mOhm ESR @ 120Hz, 29.3 A @ 120Hz, 38.09 @ 10 kHz
the 100v version is:
10.2mOhm ESR @120Hz, 23.4A @120Hz, 24.57A @ 10kHz
I have no idea if these numbers are incredibly close, or meaningfully different.. and which is better?
- ...
- 14 posts total
No, that’s not how it works, modern electrolytic capacitors typically have a tolerance range of ±20% being a common standard. This means that a capacitor labeled with a specific capacitance value can vary that much (either higher or lower) from the stated value when measured. The benefit of wider tolerances is lower production rejection rates for manufacturers, some older or lower quality capacitors may have a wider tolerance range, and for this Cornell Dubilier capacitor, that means the capacitance can vary a lot, you might get one that’s 90,000uF and another that’s 175,000uF. However, in power supply filtering applications, the exact capacitance value is less critical. And the TDK is superior to the CD in every parameter! |
Thanks a ’lot’ for all the help here.. I should have started this thread months ago. Everything I have done in the past has been max 1000uf, or the occasional 3300uf in the audio amps of old arcade games, and topping out at 470 everywhere else. I’ve always just bought 105’s and paid little attention to anything else as the machines after restoration would never be routed, or left on more than the occasional hour here and there and they weren’t exactly made for SQ. But with this amp, it literally changed a part of my life going from what I thought was ’high end’ at the time, a Yamaha rx-v992, to a Lexicon MC-1 and this amp. That first time turning it on and hearing that combo is something I’ve never forgotten so I’ve been incredibly paranoid of not getting the right part in there. All the other caps, I think were 100 and 470 on each side of each channel throughout and were mainly Panasonic. I say mainly because there was one, that was a different brand I can't recall right now that had initials written on top. I saved it just in case, but it wasn't special, just a different brand and metered about as well as all the others. Not sure why it was initialed unless it was just to signify who assembled or something. So when I have read before that a lower ripple is better for SQ because it filters more, if that’s not really true, and that the esr and ripple ratings are ’only’ an indication of how well it will take abuse, and by that it’s lifespan, and that every 100k filter cap will pretty much ’sound’ the same? If people are picking these specific brands like Black Gate, Audio Note, I have to think there is something that makes a difference. Which spec is it? Or is it more what materials are in it. |
Capacitors produced in the same path usually have very similar capacitance and will not cause any problems if you replace both capacitors in the amplifier. Just for a peace of mind, the TDK also comes with 150,000uF 63V. However, I wouldn’t recommend anything over 180,000uF unless the power transformer is up to the task. BTW, the TDK is a newer design with better technology, and the CD is a three decade old design.
I think you got it wrong! Yes, a power supply with lower ripple is better for SQ. However, this does not mean that using a capacitor with a lower ripple current rating will help SQ, the fact is that you must choose a capacitor with a ripple current rating that exceeds the power supply requirements. There is an equation and I recommend you read this article to better understand how circuit designers select power supply filtering capacitors.
Well, since you have two powermaster 1000 on hand, you can easily compare it, one with CD capacitors, and one with TDK capacitors. IMHO, lower ESR is better, theoretically.
|
- 14 posts total