@soix Not quite apples to apples. The Rel aesthetic and paper cone (vs aluminum) are attractive to me as well as the compact size and speed vs a 12. I got mine new for $2k, so the difference is about $700 vs an order of magnitude difference of $7000 for the Loke. Also, my Rel is used exclusively for music. You can always go cheaper, but the white Rel looks amazing next to my black Sabrinas (which I got refurbed and polished for pretty cheap) 🥳 So yeah, I don’t hate money 😉