Recommendations for a new subwoofer?


I had a REL S/2 sub in my system that I bought new in 2014 but earlier this year it suddenly refused to power up. I checked and replaced the fuse (which actually wasn’t blown in the first place, but couldn’t hurt to try) which yielded no result, so I called up REL directly, as they’re actually located in Berkeley CA, very near to where I live. The person I spoke to was very cordial and helpful, but it turned out that they could no longer repair that model. She did, however, refer me to a tech nearby whom, she said, may be able to help. So after some communication with the tech, I made an appointment and dropped the sub off back in February. Well, I knew in advance that things move slowly with him--he makes that clear from the beginning--so I just waited to hear. Finally, last night (yeah, I know: 3 months later) he informed me that one of the boards was fried, and they don’t make that one any more, so essentially the sub is not repairable. 

So this sordid story brings me to my question: what would be a suitable replacement for that sub? It had a 10" driver, which, for my listening habits and the room where my system is, was plenty adequate. It was paired with my Ryan R-610 speakers. 

A few subs I am considering: Elac Varro Reference RS500, Paradigm Defiance S10, and the REL T/9X. One reason I’m favoring the latter, despite my previous experience with REL, is that it doesn’t rely on an app to get it dialed in to my system, and I still have a rather good after-market speakon cable I can use.  Whatever sub I wind up with will have to have speaker-level outputs, because my integrated (Modwright KWI 200) doesn’t have a sub-appropriate input.

The above list should give indication of what price-range I can manage, i.e. $1500 or less. Recommendations and suggestions gratefully received. Thanks!

cooper52

I checked out all the usual popular choices before making my “A” system selection.  
 

My decision tree matrix : 

(1) We have all had our fair share of bad subwoofer experiences,.There is a kind of snobbery that exists in our world of high-end audio aimed primarily at receivers, car audio, home theater and subwoofers. Poor selection of subwoofers are responsible for many people disliking them since it is the subwoofer in these situations that tends to call attention to the system and cause many of the problems. The truth of the matter is that many subwoofers have fully earned their bad reputation in 2-channel audio …Most of them sound boomy, muddy and out of control with an obnoxious bass overhang that lingers so long as to blur most of the musical information up until the next bass note is struck.

Because everything in this hobby is built to its pricepoint, it faced the tension of finding premium performance Versus budget = a $3K - max $5K audition strata .

(2) As anyone who’s fiddled with subs knows, setup is at least half the battle when it comes to getting the most out of a subwoofer 2-channel system, and I can honestly say that good set-ups are a long-time labor of love. 

(3) Best of breed build with best of breed components, and premium warranty terms.

(4) Ethereal WAF with superior visual appearances , ergo choice of all-wood finish materials.

(5);a $5000 budget ceiling price-point.

 

My Take: ATC  C1 Sub Mk2 active subwoofer bested all contenders and pretenders with HARBETHs in my system. 

- Superior build components, premium all wood custom finish, a full 6- year OEM warranty, and it’s a down firing unit that somehow made its unit room placement easier,

- Highly recommended for an audition.

 

Review

https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/atc-loudspeaker-technology-launches-c1-sub-mk2-active-subwoofer/

https://www.hifipig.com/atc-launches-new-c1-sub-mk-2-active-subwoofer/

 

Subs should be seen and not heard.

In other words……

1.  You can see the sub or subs (unless hidden behind furniture or out of sight)

2.  From the sub or subs, no attention sound wise should be apparent. (No sound appears to emanate from them)

If your sub-bass does not integrate and appear to be coming from your speakers and spatially within the musical performance then:-

       A. Your sub or subs are rubbish.

                               OR

       B. You have not set up correctly.

Subs should not attract musical attention to themselves. They should be fundamentally “seen, but NOT heard”

Magic happens if subs can become invisible as well. That for me truly demonstrates everything’s optimal and set up correctly.

 

 

I got some very good advice once.  If you want the best sub, buy if form a company that only makes subs.  This should shorten up your list.  Good luck and cheers.