@effischer Very interesting, thanks for the detailed response. When you say the two approaches have diverged entirely, what do you have in mind about the two directions in which the products have diverged? As in, what characterizes those two directions? Is one of those two directions more aligned with extreme near-field listening (e.g., desktop use) than the other?
Recommend a desktop nearfield speaker for me
I'm a bit confused as to whether "bookshelf speakers" are designed to be listened to from a distance, or if they are suitable on a computer desk where the distance to the ear is only ~2 feet. Or, if they are equally good in both situations (which seems to be tough).
I understand that nearfield speakers are optimized for small distances, but they are mostly active speakers, and I need a passive speaker.
Could someone recommend a passive nearfield speaker or bookshelf speaker that works well at small distances, for use on a computer desk?
My tube amp (LTA UL+) puts out 20 Wpc into 8 ohms.
I'm considering:
1. DeVore micr/O
2. BBC LS3/5A speakers such as the Harbeth P3SR
3. Focal Aria 1, maybe Sopra 1 if I stretch my budget. However the recommended amp power is 25W - 150W whereas my amp is 20W, so might not be ideal.
4. Omega Super Alnico High Output
Which (or others) might be best suited for my amp and 2-feet distance use-case? Also, the smaller the better...
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The dual-concentric KEF I auditioned was not the LS50, but did incorporate the same driver and employed a similar non-resonant cabinet design. To my ears, I felt the design goal was for a mid- to large-field image. Bear in mind that was one 30 minute audition in a dealer showroom with source material I did not know well. My belief is that KEF has paired a lower material cost approach with a great deal more engineering skull sweat. Whether or not my supposition is on the mark, the sound was not presented in a way that paid homage to the broadcast monitors deployed in cramped quarters of yore. I'm not at all certain how the speaker would fare in a desktop environment. The traditional LS3/5A design pairs an extremely well-researched sealed volume and resonant cabinet with similarly proven drivers. The mid-bass bump @wrm57 mentions has been documented many times and is there for a reason: The design was intended to be used in a very small space (e.g. the interior of a broadcast van) with the engineer sitting perhaps three feet away with a noisy exterior environment. Clarity and definition across the transmissible dynamic and frequency ranges were the first priority with image created more by speaker placement than anything else. That bump allowed the engineer to hear things that could easily have been muffled or obscured by a passing truck or a cheering audience. That's also why there are entire volumes of commentary about "proper" LS3/5A height, distance from back / sides, toe-in, down / up angle and so on. All of those things can make a difference to the listening experience with either design approach. The guidance you're really asking for is which one the AgoN forum participants feel would be better in your environment. If it was my money, I would definitely go with an LS3/5A variant because what you're doing is exactly what it was designed for from the moment the pencil first hit paper. It remains good enough to this day that it is a standard against which many other small speakers and certainly most source material, transcription decks and upstream electronics can be compared. Your budget allows you to consider pretty much all of the best speakers the size class. As would most others here, I strongly suggest you go do a few auditions and attempt to mimic the distance and sitting height in your office area. My opinion is my opinion and may not be suitable for you. In full disclosure, I've owned a pair of the LS3/5A's big brother for decades (BBC LS3/6 / Rogers Studio 1 / Graham Audio LS8/1). I bought them back in the day when I was in the biz and had Accustat, B&W and DCM to compare them against on the shop floor. I have never tired of them and would be very hard-pressed to find something that sounds as good for 5 times what I paid in today's dollars. I turn the system on, stream some stuff to warm everything up then settle in. Then I start to tap my toes and smile. That's happy listening! |
I have a pair of Chartwell LS3/5As that were my neighbors. He used them just as you describe, on his desk at ~2 feet as computer monitors powered by a (IIRC) mid-line Pioneer receiver. When he passed away, his kids cleaned out the house and gave them to me (mint condition) with an extra, NOS, matching woofer. They sound very, very sweet, but I don’t listen to them because my room is very large (~5,000 cu ft) and I would hate to blow them out with too much power/volume. |
And... here's another review of the Harbeth P3ESR XD that you'll find interesting - especially regarding the matching of amplifiers... (if you haven't seen it). In near-field listening - it's not about the volume produced by the amp, so much as how it drives and controls the speakers and the impedance matching, etc. This guy's comments are very enlightening in that regard - which are from a studio sound engineer's perspective. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1gEKirmnHY&ab_channel=PassionforSound |
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