Question for Atma-sphere, will expensive power cables improve your amplifiers?


The reason I am asking is I feel manufacturers of high quality components include all that is ever needed, power cable wise. Sure, some people buy power cables because they need special lengths or have some out of the ordinary "noise" issues that need extra insulation. Some even like the visual aspect of the aftermarket cables. I’m just curious why many spend thousands of dollars on such when the manufacturer has taken the power cable into account when producing the product. I cannot see a High-quality audiophile component maker (especially some that sell volume) pass on a few dollars for a better sounding power cable if indeed the cable improved their product. I cannot see a person buying that $7000 amp is not going to balk if the product was introduced at  $7100 (with the better cable). 

I wonder if Luxman, Accuphase, McIntosh, Gryphon...you name it "dressed" their power cables up to look like expensive aftermarket cables, owners would be so quick to "upgrade"?

I’d be curious to hear Ralph’s opinion on the subject

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@kevn It’s the way you supposedly “ask a question” that’s the problem here. You pose suppositions about what @atmasphere is saying that he’s neither said nor implied in any way — you just make them up in your own mind — and then after incorrectly attributing them to him you then ask him to defend those positions that he never had in the first place. That’s just an absurd and accusatory way to supposedly “ask a question” and probably why @devinplombier took it as bullying. It’s a ridiculous tactic, and in doing it this way you come across as a complete troll just wasting Ralph’s valuable time (and ours). And just saying it’s “in friendship” doesn’t repair the damage or paper over anything as it’s patently obvious what you’re doing here. Better to just come out and ask him what he thinks makes a difference in power cables rather than accusing him of things he never said in somehow trying to elicit the same information. That’s just unnecessary and poor form, and frankly you owe Ralph an apology for all the things you’ve inappropriately and falsely attributed to him.  

based on what I have read from your posts and the exchange between you and jea48, would it be safe for me to summarise that you are of belief the primary and perhaps even only issue of the effect of a power cable on sound has to do with voltage drop across the cable and little else? Meaning, past a fairly low bar of voltage drop prevention, no amount of tinkering with the geometry, insulation, or detailed design of conductors in a power cable will change its effect on the sound from one’s speakers, everything else unchanged?

@kevn It would not be safe to summarize that at all and he never said or implied anything of the sort.

 

Yes indeed. Believe me, I would rather spend less than more, but experience has taught me that often spending more pays dividends equal to or exceeding this extra expenditure. I dont understand the motive behind getting us to deny the validity of our senses. 
 

@audition__audio  +1  My sentiments exactly. 

@westcoastaudiophile Three words — Audio Science Review. Go there. You’ll love it.  They’re your peeps. 

claiming as thicker than 100ft house wiring 3ft PC will tangibly affect sound is not justified!

@westcoastaudiophile It is absolutely justified if just you use your ears.

I believe that you (and maybe Atmasphere if I misinterpreted his post) are implying that power cables of the same gauge can carry different amounts of voltage from each other?

@jetter @devinplombier No, I was responding to the general assertion made that power cables make no difference in sound and can’t be verified with science or physics, which is pretty much absurd on any level. I just mentioned voltage drop as one aspect because it was mentioned earlier in this thread and is measurable, but obviously things like capacitance, resistance, etc. can also be measured and can affect cable performance and sound. I usually avoid responding to the flat earthers here, but this one was so broad and silly I felt compelled. That said, there are variables like geometry, conductor (silver, copper), shielding, connectors, etc. that can all make a difference so that even cables of the same gauge can and will sound different. One only need compare 10AWG cables between different manufacturers or even two different lines within the same manufacturer to hear that this is the case. If you think all 10AWG PCs sound the same then we’ll just agree to disagree. Anyway, hope this clarifies things.

Why are you asking ’opinions’ about power cables instead of just asking what science and physics say, with quantifiable facts. POWER CABLES DO NOT CHANGE SOUND.

@squared80 All one need do is use your ears you you can easily hear differences between most power cables. Earlier in this thread Ralph from Atmasphere explained that one aspect that is easily measurable and affects sound is how a given power cable handles the voltage drop between the wall and the amp — the more power hungry the amp the more significant the voltage drop and the more important the cable becomes. He said some power cables handle this drop better than others and again this can easily be measured, and this is just one aspect of why power cables can and do sound different let alone shielding, quality of the connectors, etc. If you wanna stick with cheap power cords and deny they make a difference have at it, but you are in the vast, vast minority here as most hear very significant differences between PCs and at least some of it absolutely is measurable according to science and physics.