Question about Class A


So I read all the time how awesome Class A Amps/Integrated's (SS and Tube) are.

I currently have a Vincent SV-500 Hybrid and feel it sounds really good.

But I have this itch now to hear what Class A would sound like and would it be a big difference to my current Vincent.

I wanted to ask what are some good Class A Integrated's that I could look into?

I know Pass Labs always comes up and for good reason but those might be a bit out of my budget.

I would say I can probably go to $3K new or used.

Sugden is another brand that I have researched a lot and the A21 retails for around $2500 and there is a dealer in Socal that carries it, so that one is tempting.

Vincent has the SV-237 MK II but I think that is only Class A for the 1st 10 watts into 8-ohms and I have 4-ohm speakers so I am not sure if that would give me any Class A magic. I am sure it would sound similar to my SV-500 but have more base extension.

Could you all recommend any other one's? I have been researching but haven't come across any (SS or Tube).

Thanks

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Really appreciate all the feedback so far.

@erik_squires , Thanks for that clarification. That is a good point

@mesch, You are right, I was asking about an Integrated but with all the great feedback, now I am also considering adding an amp versus a whole new integrated.

I emailed AVA and Frank responded. I was inquiring about their SET 400 Amp and if he thinks it would be a good match for my speakers.

Frank actually recommended their SET 120 instead of the 400. So I am considering that also now and of course it is much less expensive so that is a plus.

The SET 400 is out of stock right now but Frank mentioned that they are working on a whole new chassis and that is going to take another month or so. Looking forward to see what they produce.

With all the feedback and now also seriously considering AVA Products with their great review and still being very curious about the Sugden, as suggested earlier in the thread, I am going to see if I can get a demo at the dealer that I mentioned and I need to inquire about their return policy.

What I may do, is purchase the A21 and the SET 120 and then compare in home to see what I like better. If the A21 comes out on top and I really like it, I would have to return the SET 120 within their 30 day trial period and I might just go back to the local dealer and exchange the A21 for the A21se.

Those are my thoughts right now.

At the end, I have to be happy with I buy and be content with it.

@jay73  I agree that the SET 120 would be the better purchase as you would not need the additional power. Are you talking about the integrated version or the amplifier? AVA makes both. 

What are your sources?  If digital you would have to replace the DAC in the SV-500. At your budget with purchase of the 120 integrated you could purchase a tube DAC if wanting some tube sound in your system.    

I must say that I once owned a Vincent hybrid amplifier, the SV-226. It was class AB. I sold it and consider that move one of my audio mistakes. It had more power than the SV-500 at 100wpc and was line level only. Fed it with an outboard DAC and phonostage for sources. I would encourage you not to be in a hurry in your decision making. Continue to explore.

I am still at a loss to recall a class A 20+wpc amplifier that retails for ~3K other than the Sudgen. Not to say they don"t exist.    

I personally am a huge fan of Class A.  In the Luxman 509x/590axII issue, one being A/B and the other, respectively, Class A, ask yourself why so many 509x units come up for sale, and not long after being bought, but the 590, a Class A unit, is only rarely for sale.  I think the fact one is Class A is the factor.  Once I experienced it there was no going back.  I am trying to get there myself......

 

Also to point out, there are MANY Luxman M 900u Class A/B units for sale......but the older M 800a Class A units are rarely for sale too and I wonder why.......

@mesch , as far as AVA HiFi is concerned, I would consider the AMP, not the Integrated or Control Amplifier as they call it.

Either the SET 400 or SET 120 Amps with the Vincent functioning as a Pre-Amp, I think it would make a good combo. As you stated about your previous SV-236, I really would hate to give up my Vincent. It certainly is a sweet sounding unit.

But if I decide on the Sugden, then no, choice, I would have to let it go.

For my sources, I have an external DAC (Queststyle CMA400i), MoFi Studio Deck TT with a Hana SL MC Cart and a Technics SL-G700 SACD Player. So I feel my sources are pretty decent.

Yea, I am not in a rush, need to make sure I get the right unit.

@blackfly , I've never heard the Luxman's but I can imagine they must be awesome, especially the 590 that you refer to. Just way out of budget though. But they are beautiful for sure.

But you stated, I really want to hear what Class A is all about, Hopefully Soon.