Question about Bi-Wiring


My speakers, Martin Logan Motion 40's, are bi-wire capable.

But I have not tried to bi-wire them just yet.

I was wondering, if I were to get better jumper cables to replace the default metal plate jumpers that came with the speakers, would that accomplish the same results as actually bi-wiring the speakers

Or

Should I just go straight to actually bi-wiring?

Thanks

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Showing 4 responses by williewonka

@jay73 - ditch those little plates that couple the terminals and replace them with real copper wire.

  • Make each jumper 20" long
  • make each jumper from 2 strands of solid UP-OCC copper wire
  • 16 gauge or 14 gauge will suffice
  • use some sort of copper terminal i.e. spade or banana

You could even try Romex - it should work better than those plates

You should hear a noticeable improvement and it should not matter which terminals you connect the cables to.

Those little jumpers are very often made form brass or a copper alloy and they degrade the signal

Hope that helps - Steve

@jay73 RE: 

So, you literally mean copper wire terminated to spade or banana plugs with the specs that you mentioned?

Exactly - here's the problem with those plates

  • they are most probably made of brass or even some copper alloy like Copper Beryllium
  • this will not conduct the signal as effectively as pure copper
  • if you plug the cables into the HF terminals then the low frequencies are impacted
  • if oyu plug the cables into the LF terminals then the high frequencies are impacted
  • replacing the plated with pure copper (like Romex) or even better use UP-OCC copper, then you should hear no change regardless of which terminals you pluf the cables into

I had a pair of bi-wire speakers

  • I tried bi-wire cables and they worked OK
  • then I replaced the plate-jumpers with copper wire and went back to a single cable and it actually sounded better.
  • Then a fellow DIYer told me about the 20" jumper - he had researched different lengths a lot and 20" was the optimum length
  • I then made UP-OCC copper jumpers from 2 x 18 gauge wire from VH Audio and the speakers had never sounded so good

If you are into DIY tale a look at these cables - they provide excellent results

My Audio Alchemy (image99.net)

If you have any questions just ask

Hope that helps - Steve

@jay73 - unfortunately I recently sold those speakers with he Jumpers on them and I did not take any pictures.

But they are very simple

  • I used two pieces of VH Audio UP-OCC 18 gauge copper wire for each jumper 20 inches long
    • strip the insulation at one end of the pair for about 1/2"
    • twist tightly together
    • Then twist the two wires in a more relaxed twist
      • about one complete twist every 3 to 4 inches (see image)
    • Finish the other end in the same way - with e tight twist
    • Then on each end I use KLE Innovations Banana plugs, they provide the best sound quality
      • but you can use bananas or spades of your choice,
      • Furez makes a very good pure copper or silver plated copper spade

Hope that helps - Steve

Is there such a thing as bi-wire speakers?

  • I think what we refer to as "Bi-wire speakers"
  • were actually designed for "Bi-amping"

I understand and hear the impact of Bi-amping

But in a Single-Amp system that connects to Bi-Amp speakers

  • I do prefer using a good quality single cable with good quality jumpers
    • i.e. as opposed to Bi-wire cables
  • I also realize some amps come with a second set of outputs
    • but generally, that second set of terminals are connected to the same outputs as the first set

Semantics? - probably 🙄

Regards - Steve 😧