Well I agree with Lev great upgrade price. And I'm ordering today! |
Paul had mentioned the new PWD will msrp for $1k more then the original.
Mr Tennis and Sgr both make good points. no way to tell how good it is until it's plugged into your own gear. the return policy helped me get around that. also helping was the fact that many of us have more funds wrapped up in a single pair of ic's then this upgrade will cost. as crazy as this sounds...the thought of noticeable sound improvement for $800 seems cheap right about now lol!.
no doubt some will not like it. am yet to see an audio product everyone agrees on. am looking forward to finding out for myself....soon!!
cheers |
The forum is located under "resources", but you have to re-register for access. |
Richard,
Where did you see info about the new dac(I looked)? |
Wow. It was there this morning and a couple of hours ago. Not one word of the change. The Audio Asylum version is still operating and manned by Paul. |
Per Audio Advisor, the new unit will sell for $4K |
They cut over to the new site. Keying in www.psaudio.com works just fine, but the discussion forum is not accessible. |
Hey guys, is the PS Audio site down. Every time I try to go there Google refuse with a message stating 'to many redirects' and stops. Any one get a different result? It is about 8:00 central time here. |
I just figured that as hot an item as the older Digital Lens is, the great number of people who might want to try the bridge technology but with their own DAC, (not the PWD), and that this Lens was supposed to do video as well, would make it a bestseller. |
There is an unconditional 30 day money back for the upgrade, even if you buy at the early adopter price of $800, so if you don't like it you can just send it back. In the absence of a 2nd PWD you are partially dependent on your sonic memory for the A/B comparison. However, the impact of the NativeX dejittering feature can be assessed in real-time because you can switch between native and nativeX mode. |
Perused through the PSA forum early this a.m. and discovered why the project has been shelved.
http://www.psaudio.com/ps/forum/viewthread/2727/
also this:
http://www.psaudio.com/ps/forum/viewthread/2621/
and this:
http://www.psaudio.com/ps/forum/viewthread/2639/
Sorry, I've tried doing the markup tag thing and it didn't work. |
Paul has mentioned it has been put on hold because of changing priorities. I also believe he mentioned that since the lens technology would be largely implemented in the PWD, its target audience would be non PWD users looking for a dejittering device (like the orginal genesis lens). Given this limitation and all the other development priories it is not a big stretch to infere the product will be shelfed indefinitely, but this is pure speculation. |
MrTennis does have a good point. That is plunking down money before we've heard the new product. I'd hate to lose any of the fine qualities the PWD has. It sounds so musical the way it is. So if I preorder and install, I hope to have a friend over with another PWD so we can compare the two. If the new version does not sound as good, back to PS Audio it goes.
Edorr, where and when have you heard the digital lens ii is being abandoned? That would be a shame. I have not seen this posted on the website. I've been waiting for it for a while. I'm sure they would sell quite a few. |
The analog switching improves all inputs "by desing".
It appears the NativeX dejittering circuit improves SQ on all inputs (including I2S) as well, which comes as a surprise to the engineers and Paul, I presume because there was not supposed to be any jitter left (at least not at audible levels) on these inputs. |
Yes the upgrade is supposed to improve sound quality through all inputs. I haven't heard it so I can't promise that it will though. |
I'm currently just using the I2S through a HDMI. Will the upgrade enhance the PWD when played this way? I have heard $800 for early orders. I wished it was much less, however, if it really enhances the music I can go for it. |
beware what you want, for you may get it.
i have the pwd, and called the company about the upgrade. from what i understand, the upgrade will give you more resolution and greater separation.
this approach seems to be their gestalt for designing most of their products. i have owned many ps audio gear and ever since they introduced their first digital cable , lab cord and other power cords, their subsequent products, have become more resolving and less warm.
i would want to hear the new version before i consider the upgrade, especially, since "cloud" computing is irrelevant to me. |
Mid to late December? I doubt it. If it happens, you can color me shocked. When McGowan speaks, I become bored(pure hoopla, pure disappointment when something rears it's head to slow production down). Hasn't he learned not to put out an announcement until item is ready? |
I ordered my Mark II upgrade this morning! |
"Now, the DL2 has been cancelled once again for some other BS product. I don't have time for this kind of rubbish."
The some other BS product you are referring to is actually an implementation of the "lens" technology on a board, available as upgrade to the PWD. A far more cost effective implementation. The upshot is of course the whole lens project will get killed. Just get the PWD MkII. Must be painful for the very few that have been waiting for a lens MkII for 15 years.... All others are elated.
"Why do we need an audio product that works with the cloud?"
I presume by the "cloud" you mean your home network. The anser is because network streaming has some big usability advantages over USB. Of course, networking opens up a big can worms, which is why the project has had significant hichups. They should have offered an asynchronous USB option from the outset. The new "BS product" offers exactly this. Better late than never.
"Why offer an outlet with a nickel coating, tout it as the best, produce a gold-plated version, cancel both products and then offer two multi-kilo Power Plants with the inferior outlet?"
Who cares about the outlet. I'd be interested in a double blind test between units with nickel outlets and gold-plated outlets. The new powerplant products are miles ahead of the old 300W/600W spaceheater units, which is all that matters. |
Tab: you might want to believe this one as it just went on sale this morning and is available for pre-order. mid or late december deliver is what's expected. hope this isn't what you're referring to as a BS product as it looks very promising. just ordered my upgrade and can't wait to get it.
btw...many psa products are being discontinued. they are focusing on a fewer number of core products. since i'm not sure what products you're calling "BS", all i can say is you're wrong *if* you are referring to the pwd and pwt. |
I don't hold my breath based on anything McGowan says. A DL2 was promised back in '97. He took a poll on his site as whether buyer's would like something else. A bunch of idiots responded and the product was killed.
He came back with the same BS two years ago and said it would be ready this year. More idiots wanted USB support and PSA had trouble figuring on implementation. Now, the DL2 has been cancelled once again for some other BS product. I don't have time for this kind of rubbish.
Why do we need an audio product that works with the cloud? Why'd the produce an UPS only to take it off the market shortly thereafter? Why offer an outlet with a nickel coating, tout it as the best, produce a gold-plated version, cancel both products and then offer two multi-kilo Power Plants with the inferior outlet? |
If i had enough money, i'll be buying this one. |
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The upgrade will cost $1,000, $800 for early adopters. It looks like they will be shipped after New Years.
Details will be available in the PS Audio newsletter.
For anyone thinking that's too much, Paul McGowan says he wishes he could sell it for $500 but that's just not possible. |
Have you guys heard anymore about the upgrade to the PWD since these posts? I hope the cost is low to do the upgrades. |
Very cool indeed, but I hate waiting. I hope this "early announcement" isn't too early. I'll be disappointed if I can't get the upgrade by the end of the year... |
just read the posts on the psa site. he also made mention of a reduced upgrade price for "early adapters"....which is extra cool imho.
i really like how psa does business. their discussion forums are a great example of how open and transparent they are as a company. Paul and his crew put up with alot of negative comments that many mfg forums would delete in a heart beat. hats off the folks at psa. great product and customer service.can't wait to get the upgrades as they sound fantastic.
glad i got on board early. |
