pre-amp processor

Anthem AVM 90

• HDMI board is upgradeable to accommodate possible future hardware updates
• Both surround sound processors have decoding for Dolby Atmos, DTS:X Pro, and IMAX Enhanced. 

Anthem AVM90  with  ARC Genesis  room calibration

19 channels 

Availlable : Winter 2022 
I wonder if Anthem processor are hardware upgradeable ?

HDMI 2.1        
DTS X Pro

Check out the Anthem AVM90, if it ever gets here...

@soix

My reference at that time for this discussion was about the Home Theater processor room calibration , not AVR.

The likes of  Anthem , Lyngdorf , McIntosh , Audiocontrol , Trinnov

I think , it is like a religion or ´´ Art  ´´ .   Very subjective .  You beleive or you don’t . You like or you don’t .

All I can tell you is I heard TacT’s room correction in a roughly $200k system, and with the room correction turned off the system sounded broken to the point where I’d never consider listening without it — it was that significant.  I think maybe they’re thinking of the standard EQ programs on most AVRs and prepros that I wouldn’t use either, but I can assure you Lyngdorf is light years ahead of those programs. 

I’m no a big fan of most EQ programs either, but Lyngdorf room correction is very advanced and I’d be surprised if it didn’t yield positive results. 

I ordered the Lyngdorf mp-60 2.1

Good for you!!!  Their room correction is legendary and I totally think you made the right decision and will be thrilled with the results.  I’ll just say, I’m jealous, and please report back on what I’m sure are going to be fantastic results.  I heard a TacT room correction (the former company of Lyngdorf) and the results were nothing short of stunning.  And that was his OLDER technology.  IMHO, you made the right choice!

@maxwave 

I had an email conversation with IAL sales vp his inacurate statement led me to Lyngdorf. Will do once I receive it ,set it up,calibrate and burn in.

@dsk3

Have you talked to an Acurus dealer or with Indy Audio Labs ?
I hope , you had the same rebate than the add on US Audio mart.

With Lyngdorf , you will own a highly regarded brand.

They will still be there in 10 years .

let us know about your thoughs when your unit will be calibrated and burned in

Take a look at @rbertalotto   thread this morning

Pierre

@maxwave 

I ordered the Lyngdorf mp-60 2.1

After convercing with the Acurus sales rep about the ACT 4 vs the Lyngdorf he stated that the Lyngdorf was not hardware and software upgradeable, which is false (Lyngdorf contacted me and stated that their product is in fact both hardware and software upgradeable). That statement by the rep made my mind up, you should at least be truthful about the products and rely on the quality of your products to sell themselves.

@maxwave 

Thanks for all the input it looks like I'm being steered towards the Lyngdorf rather than the Acurus. I'm going to take all the advice I've been given and go that route.

Thanks again

@dsk3

Lyngdorf MP 40 upgrade to 2.1 Febuary 01 2021

So the Lyngdorf processors are ´´ hardware upgradebeable ´´

´´ The processor 2.1 upgrade program offered to current owners will be similar to the upgrade program that is offered for Lyngdorf MP-60 and Steinway & Sons P300. ´´

@dsk3

If Lyngdrof MP 60 2.1 is hardware and firmware upgradeable ( the later , I am sure ) the 3000$ rebate will pay you the next hardware upgrade .

@dsk3 
The add above is from a dealer

You can communicate with the dealer through USAudio mart

Just ask him about the upgradability of the Lyngdrof

@maxwave 

I don't need the phono stage.

My thoughts were that the Acurus is both hardware and software upgradeable I don't think the Lyngdorf is I don't want to have to keep buying new units every few years. 

@maxwave 

So your thoughts are the Lyndorf over the Acurus  

@dsk3

A 3000 $  rebate

I’m looking for sound quality along with 8k 2.1 hdmi 

or 4k with being able to upgrade to 8k

You could try looking into these two items:

NAD Masters M17 V2i (much lower price than your budget, but will likely have an 8K upgrade module in the future).

Theta Casablanca V - very expensive, but also will likely have an 8k upgrade in the future.

The problem here is wanting to be on the bleeding edge of technology but also expecting sound quality.

For the past four  years , I have plugged and unplugged my whole system so many times ; that , today , at the moment I touch a cable ; I hyperventilate and sweat like

if I was in a sauna .

I don’t want to remove anything anymore .

@maxwave 

I have all separates now the Lexicon mc12b

dynaudio speakers

Vidikron model 60 which will be upgraded to the 

JVC NZ8 laser projector I’m looking for sound quality along with 8k 2.1 hdmi 

or 4k with being able to upgrade to 8k the Lexicon is component out no hdmi

@dsk3

Have you ever unplgged and remove a 20 channels processor , to ship for an hardware upgrade ?
20 interconnects cables to the power amplifiers and subwoofers ,one power cord , one ethernet cable , HDMI cables , several interconnect cables to other sources !!!

You have to tag , almost each cables to know where to put theme back.

It is , half a day , of pure pleasure :-))))

@dsk3

@auxinput is wright ( as usual ) If you are looking mostly for the new features ,you may buy

a Yamaha RX- A8A receiver . But I think , the ´´old ´´ McIntosh MX 160 will

still sound  a lot better.

By the way , the cost of hardware upgrades ( all included ) cost as much as the brand new top Denon HT receiver .

The Acurus is both hardware and software upgradeable I don’t think that the lyngdorf is and neither is McIntosh I don’t feel like having to buy new equipment every few years 

It sounds like you are putting upgrade features over sound quality.  If that's the direction you want to go, that's fine.  I would say the McIntosh MX-160 is still going to out-perform the newest Lyngdorf as far as sound quality goes.

I am not an expert on Home Theater system.

Lyngdorf and McIntosh are firmware upgradeable.

More over , the firmware are upgradeable right from the processor.

No need for a Laptop computer which is a mess.

I think , the Lyngdorf is hardware upgradeable , but not the McIntosh.

Don’t be fooled, the hardware upgrades are expensive ( parts , labor , shipping) Some manufecturers use this upgradebility as a marketing strategy against the midfi receivers.

The best ´´ no need to upgrade hardware ´´ is the Trinnov processors.

Except for the HDMI 2.1 that should be availlable soon; the Trinnov firmware and audio format  can be upgraded whatever it might be, without the need of hardware upgrade.

I am not sure but StormAudio may also, not need hardware upgrades

@maxwave 

The Acurus is both hardware and software upgradeable I don’t think that the lyngdorf is and neither is McIntosh I don’t feel like having to buy new equipment every few years 

If you want 2.1 HDMI  , DTS X Pro , and your are mostly  ´´digital ´´  Lyngdorf is the way to go instead of McIntosh.

McIntosh is always , a litlle late in the game.

Maybe McIntosh MX 180  will have these  features.

McIntosh gears keep their values over time 

I know the previous McIntosh MX-160 used the Lyngdorf DSP and processing board, but used all McIntosh linear power supplies and audio stages.  The MX-170 probably uses the same architecture since it also includes RoomPerfect.  That's the way I would go if you have the budget (either used MX-160 or a new MX-170).

5 HDMI 2.1 Inputs Instead of 8 HDMI 2.1 is not relevant in my opinion.

There are no Blueray player that are 8K .

Apple TV and NVidia Shield Pro are 4K

I think , only gaming gears like PS5 ( ? ) and others , are 8K.

Some television are 8K , but for the 8K effects , you need at least  85 inches.

McIntosh MX 170 uses the Room Perfect room calibration  too

And you have a very solid brand that still , should be in business 10 years from now …….

@maxwave 

Sounds like the Lyngdorf might be my best choice 

I’m still torn between the two 

@dsk3 

If you decide on the ACT4 ,  be sure you have a good dealer who knows the

products he sell.  Some dealers carry 20 brands . They do not know everything.
A home theater processor is a complex gear .  No dealer is able to solve the 

kind of programing issue with my firmware . Only one person at IAL has that knowledge . It makes , owning IAL processors  , quite risky.

I've just finished setting up the MP60 2.1 and running RoomPerfect with 13 mic positions to 100% complete. My 7.2 Magnepan system has never sounded like this before. In 2016 I built two of GR Research W/Frame open baffel subs. They added a nice bottom to my 3.6 Maggies but deep movie bass was too much for them. The drivers would bottom out and blow the covers off. I had given up on them and ordered new drivers from Rythmik to build some sealed subs. But, after RoomPerfect analysed my W/Frame subs and then corrected the room EQ problems, the bottom out problems are gone. The subs now do there job filling in the bottom of music or movies. I have tried in the past to make room corrections using DEQX Express but I never could get it to work right. I can't say enough good about RoomPerfect. You should be able to get it for about $4K off retail. 

@maxwave 

please show me the global eq.

I'm not in a big rush so when I do buy I will not take delivery until all of the updates are available and installed. Are you a hockey guy?

Thanks

Dave

@dsk3

Look at my picture , you will see what the PEQ 5 bands looks like

Let me know if you want to see the global EQ 

Do not forget that if you buy the ACT4 without the DTS X Pro and want 

it afterward , you will have to ship it , at your own expense to IAL facilities.

You can easily figured out 2 months before it will be returned to you.

DTS X Pro and IMAX Enhance was supposed to be availlable in 1 st quater

2021 …..

calibration

- global EQ : Low shelving filter F G . High Shelving filter F G

- PEQ :Five bands F G Q

I have tryed to send here photos but it does’t work

I have never known , how to calibrate my unit , so I have bought the ASPEQT kit

( it took a year and a halft before I received it )

Speaker ´s calibration is easy if you have a spl meter

The 4 aux out speakers are replicates of the speakers in the main speakers layout.

But no delay , no cross over for these 4  aux out speakers.

@maxwave 

The sales VP just sent me this.

The 2.1 board is already installed in the ACT 4 and Muse processors. We are just waiting for the firmware to be released by MDS. 

DTS X Pro and IMAX will be available late 2nd or early 3rd quarter.

It looks like the  Acurus ACT 4 might be be my choice. Was the setup and manuel speaker calibration not too complicated?

@maxwave 

I'll let you know when I decide. I'm waiting to hear on a time frame for the 8k 2.1, the DTS X Pro , and IMAX Enhance features will be added to the ACT 4.