Sorry man, seems you have blinders on.
Hilarious projection.
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If we are going to discuss ‘vulnerability’ in school, I think I would be more worried about the fundamentals today. Ya know, reading, writing, and arithmetic. That concerns me more than the arts.
Wow, you so perfectly show the problem with "all ____ matter" I should frame it.
- Some one says "please support x"
- But all letters matter, we should support all of them
- But x is vulnerable
- Well, the truth is we like x less than the rest of the alphabet.
And, we aren't on a site for all things, we are on a site for talking about how we play music, so this is hilarious.
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@bkeske
And when people say "all ___ matter" they are missing the point, and fail to support anything.
Not sure why you might think culturally music rises above the other arts and interests I mentioned.
I thought I made it clear. It doesn’t rise above, but it is the most vulnerable to budget cuts in public schools, even among any other art education. Again, this isn’t a history site or a math site, so you’d think that people on this site would be more conscientious about supporting music specifically, and boy have I been taught otherwise.
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@Bkeske I hope you aren’t trying to "all arts matter" the argument.
The main reason I made the point is that music education is often the first one to be cut in public schools and that every student deserves the chance. Science and history on the other hand enjoy considerably more support.
Secondly, we as audiophiles are consumers of music but may not necessarily stop to think about our role in it’s creation besides buying a streaming ubscription. If we love music we should stop and think about how we participate in the education and culture that creates it. This is, after all, not a site devoted to history or math or science in general but to music and how we get to hear it.
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Wow, i cant even begin to respond to that.
Erik
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@infection
That’s a really odd reply. I am suggesting we spend a lot less on education than other nations, and that making music education available to all is important.
If students are never exposed to music, they can never be passionate about it. I’m not suggesting we should make musicians, or force people to like music. I am saying we are impoverishing our children by denying them the opportunity to learn at an early age. Just like we do with art or history. Music is more than something you buy. It's how you connect with and affect your peers.
In the US we spend less on music education than any other industrialized nation. That's the definition of poverty to me.
Best,
Erik
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I didn't say "not exposed to ANY music" There's a difference between having iTunes and having a musical literacy.
How does this happen? Lack of education.
Of course they are exposed to something, but the child who doesnt' learn about x type of music will never know if he/she likes it. Do we really want to leave it up to the commercial radio stations to educate our children about music and music from around the world?
Personally I grew up misically deprived had minimal exposure to music. It wasn't until I was in college that I realized how little I knew, or could appreciate.
This is something other countries feel passionate about educating their children in, and so share in the responsibility at the school level.
Of course, you don't have to think this is important. I do. I think I want to live in a country in which music is part of every child's education, one way or another, and in a culture that is continuously enriched by those students.
Best,
Erik
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@czarivey
Well damn, you are right. All those college programs and music schools are just a load of crap. Can't believe they make money at that.
Erik
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Thank god my surgeon didn’t go to school. He woke up one day and started cutting a PB&J sandwich and said "Hey, I’m pretty good!"
The entire San Francisco orchestra is like that too. No education at all, in fact the conductor him/hserself is really just there to keep the whining down. Truth is they don’t need him. Just a little advice from the salesperson at the music store and they were concert ready. Yep, hear it all the time. Every radio show I ever hear with great young musicians, they say this. Their teachers suck and it's by pure grit they got to where they are.
Erik
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I'm not here to promote 1 single narrative about how music culture happens. Some do best in school, some learning elsewhere. I'm lucky to be able to listen to both.
Some, like Winton Marsalis, feel it is so important they devote some of their time to teach music as history, and music as culture to anyone who would listen, musician and lay person alike. This goes far beyond teaching performance, he is a convincing advocate that music is never just about music, and education isn't just about jobs and product.
Best,
Erik
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@czarivey
You miss half the point of music education. All of elementary education isn’t about getting a job. All of music education isn’t about making great musicians. It’s about literacy the same way that exposure to great writers from around the world is.
What good is Yo Yo ma in a world where everyone else is an illiterate consumer of whatever pablum comes down the music industry next?
Not having musically literate citizens is like having citizens who are illiterate in math or science, or history.
How many of these great musicians have made it a priority to go back and teach themselves? I think that alone speaks volumes about whether they feel music education is worthwhile, but again, music education includes history, culture, politics. It's not just about whether person X has the mojo or not.
Best,
Erik
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Thanks Whart!
Here I am trying to enrich children's lives and it gets hijacked by a discussion about what makes a great musician.
Best,
Erik
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