Oppo 105 D vs. DAC-transport combination.


To my great dismay, the more I listen, I’m finding my Oppo 105 is outperforming a very well thought of DAC and transport combination for which I paid 3x the price.  Basically the sound stage is wider and better defined.
Both the DAC and transport are less than a year old.  I thought I was upgrading.
Played by itself, the DAC-transport combo sounds great.  Until I compare it to the Oppo. 
I can’t understand it!
rvpiano

Showing 5 responses by melm

There's a lot of high priced crap out there.

I have an Oppo 105 and didn't play it very much as it didn't come close to my vinyl.

I ran the Oppo into an LKS and the improvement was amazing. 

Better still when I ripped my CDs and SACDs and play them through a laptop directly to the DAC.  I consider it on par with my vinyl . . . not the same, but as good.

The Oppo still serves well for video-audio combo.
@noble100 

I am indifferent as between good analog and good digital.  I enjoy them both. Most of my listening is to classical.

Dynamic range:  Classical music has the most dynamic range generally.  While the dynamic range of digital is greater than analog, that even of analog surpasses the need in a domestic environment.  In fact, some digital releases have an excess of dynamic range for a home environment.  I can cite many Bis SACD recordings as examples.  So the dynamic range issue is a non-issue IMO

Surface noise. Well cared for records and equipment make this a non-issue and millions of us continue to listen to lps notwithstanding.  We just tune them out, if they'e there, because vinyl gives us a musical experience that the best of digital tries to emulate.

Rumble?  Obviously you have never used a quality turntable.  It is a non-issue though I'm sure some scientist can measure it.  Totally un-hearable on my system.

Speed variation.  Totally a non-issue on a well tuned system.  There is a piano and players in my house and I listen to a lot of piano recordings with notes that trail off into silence (the ultimate test for speed stability).

Channel Separation.  I don't doubt your specs, but as for listening I can discern no difference between the channel separation on vinyl and cd of the exact same recordings. I have many.  It's a non-issue.

Continuous, etc.  I understand the physics so I don't worry about chopped up.  Cartridges can reach well above the 22kHz of a CD as can much electronics.  Loudspeakers, I'm not so sure.

Longevity is another non-issue.  Some of my old records sound as good after years of playing.  It is an old wives tale that they are used up with each play.  Clean and with good equipment it has been written that they are polished by the playing.  I don't know if that is so . . . but they still sound great including those at the top of the pile for many, many years.  Many people report the same.

Some people think that vinyl, with all its issues, sounds more like the real thing, real acoustic music in real space . . and there's nothing you can say that makes any difference.  Vinyl is "better" if it sound more like the real thing, as many serious listeners believe.  In fact, it sounds as though, like so many here, you have never experienced a really good vinyl system in a home environment.  You might be shocked.

As for digital, some of the best, and most consistently outstanding, I have experienced are the SACD transfers of analog originals, the SACDs ripped to hard disk.  There are sound technical reasons why that might be so.  Better than original digital recordings and better even than most other SACDs and other high definition ones.

in fact, and I apologize here for looking at your equipment list, and notwithstanding that you think you've "discovered the true potential of digital," it sounds like you're not experiencing anything like digital is currently capable of if your're still listening through an Oppo 105.  

Cheers.

@noble100 

You seem to have a lot of opinions.

However, taking you at your word, the analog systems you have heard had noisy bearings--hence rumble, poor speed control--hence flutter, etc., were playing dirty records--hence annoying surface noise, inferior phono electronics--hence poor dynamic range, and poorly adjusted cartridges--hence poor channel separation. That seems to be your vinyl experience . . in your own words.

You claim to have "discovered the true potential of digital," your own words. However, your digital "reference" is an Oppo 105. I have a 105, and it comes nowhere near to revealing how good digital can really be, and that is readily and easily demonstrable.

You say you have never compared comparable digital to analog, but yet you have "impressions." Have I got that right?

Enjoy your system, as you obviously do, but are you sure you want to go on pontificating?

@junzhang10 
@geoffkait 

The great, and best, SACD releases of analog material are AAD, not ADD.
@ericjcabrera 

You have discovered, as have others, that the stock Oppo units are not the best transports.  A possible next step, if you want to try, is to rip your CDs to a hard disk.  It can be a small portable to plug into the Oppo.  Not only might you get better SQ (I can attest that it will beat the Oppo, but I cannot say re: the DVDA10), but using the Oppo software you will be able to control your listening from a phone or ipad.

Jumzhang is correct that SACDs will not go through.  That will require connection to a separate DAC.  But you will also have the option of borrowing and copying CDs from friends or public libraries.
@ericjcabrera 

There are many roads to audio pleasure and we all need to decide when to stop playing with equipment and just remain with playing the music.  It seems you have found that place, at least for the time being.  You have discovered, seemingly by chance, a terrific solution which a lot of us might never have found.

My own road has gone a bit further.  The DAC in the Oppo 105 has been surpassed by many at reasonable prices that have appeared in recent years.  A better DAC will more clearly distinguish among sources.  And for me, the convenience of controlling my listening from the easy chair is captivating.  And from my public library I have accumulated free classic disk rips that I may not have been able to have otherwise.