Opinions on the current market


I’ve been reading extensively, trying to narrow down the best option for a tube pre to add to my system. The nature of the hobby is such that I expect to try a few different options, so I’m curious about people’s opinions on the market right now. Figuring I’ll have to resell whatever i try, I’d like to ‘buy right’ now. I’m not by nature an equipment flipper, but there are just too many possible options to expect to get it right first time. Anyone else looking at prices now, with informed opinions of whether the market is good or not for a buyer?
english210

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Comments about good buyers and sellers is true -- because a truism. But your question deserves better; it has to do with the wider environment, and whether there is some advantage for buyers. I have had this same question, and I started looking in December.

Here is what I’ve seen, scanning both local stores, online trading sites (US Audiomart, HiFi Shark), and online stores.

There are deals out there — but, right now, the market is stronger than I thought it would be. While there is uncertainty about the economy, many who buy audio gear have a lot of disposable monies, and they’re shut inside; the audio makers I am in touch with report very good business. But I do think they’re concerned about the longer term. A conversation about price is not unreasonable. 20% discount is not unreasonable.

Where to look? The suggestion about brick/mortar stores is a good one (not sure who your local ones are, but they’re worth talking to); some of these brick/mortar stores also sell online — I’ve seen good deals at places like Echo Hifi, Saturday Audio Exchange, Gig Harbor audio, Audio Alternative, Paragon Sight and Sound. Also, The Music Room (online only), is an excellent, excellent and safe source — with a trial period for used gear. Many sweet deals there.

You asked about tube preamps. I’ve just bought my first one, and I got a good deal with my local shop — it’s a Quicksilver, so there’s not much markup on it to begin with. I got the line stage non-remote version, and I think it’s an excellent value for the money, sale or not. There are others I came close to buying — Erhard audio’s Ella (small maker, no discount) Cary Audio (bigger) had some excellent sales and Audio by Van Alstine’s sale page is really worth looking at. I see Rogue Audio on sale in many places.

There are other very well respected tube preamps which I have never seen on sale anywhere and I rarely see them on used sites: Herron, deHavilland, Sachs, Atmas-phere, Aric Audio, Erhard, Supratek, Modwright, Blue Circle, VAC. Among these, within my budget for a preamp (about $2k, max), if I had not gone with Quicksilver, I probably would have looked hard at Aric, Erhard, Supratek — and maybe deHavilland (a bit more, if I recall).

What about the online trading forums, such as Ebay, US Audio Mart, Audiogon? I saw some very good deals arise on these sites, including gear by Quicksilver, VAC, and Jolida/Black Ice. Here, the wider environment factor affecting buyers and sellers can become prominent, as people decide (based on their own economic situation) that their $4000 preamp is worth letting go of for $2000 cash.

While I’ve not owned a lot of gear, I’ve learned a lot by shopping around, bookmarking sites, visiting everyday, and taking notes over the past four months. I created a folder with bookmarks that go directly to the sale/clearance pages and I’d scan them, putting notes into a separate table and searching forums for experienced judgments.

Good luck!
@english210 your objectives are completely understandable and of course you want to get your money back if only because it facilitates trying something else. The process of experimentation with audio is an aesthetic one; and is intrinsically enjoyable for many. Being able to conduct those experiments depends on not losing a lot of money on each experiment. It’s not about the money, but about keeping the romantic tension alive, as long as possible.  (“Audiophilia As Courtly Love” would make a good article title!)
@english210 I struggled with that too. But the non-remote version is a different design and multiple people convinced me that non-remote is the way to go. Since I'm streaming a lot, I have control over that volume, so it's not a big hassle.

Here's what I wound up with, much during the last couple months:

SPEAKERS
  • SALK SS 6M — these are being built (well, after the shutdown is lifted) and then I’ll TRY them for 30 days to see if they work. Others are being considered. Opinions are welcome.
  • Sub: REL 328 
AMPLIFICATION
  • QS Linestage
  • QS Monos amp
SOURCES
  • CD transport: Cambridge CXC
  • Streamer: Bluesound Node 2i
  • DAC IT (peachtree) — older; just to tide me over
  • DAC ORCHID — this is my keeper

CABLES

  • optical Toslink: for CD player
  • interconnect 1 coaxial digital: Analysis Plus Crystal Digital & Audioquest Forest
  • interconnects analog RCA: Analysis Plus Copper Oval
  • Power for sources and amps: Pangea Audio AC 9 & 14 SE MKII
  • Analysis Plus Oval 12 speaker cables

POWER

  • Conditioner: Panamax 1500

And since this thread is about saving $, here is what I saved via sales or used off list price:

  • Cables: 44%
  • Sources: 21%
  • Speakers: 16% (just off the REL sub)
  • Amplification: 17%
  • Power: 80%

OVERALL system savings: 24%
Do I know how much to attribute to Covid/current market forces? No, I don't. Maybe people shopping carefully do this all the time. 
+1 @chorus  One nuance you might include with your four rules for the OP is whether those rules apply equally to all gear or not. I'm pretty sure the OP will find some gear owned by more than one person that would be perfectly fine. 
@mapman I heard an interview with Jeff Joseph on Stereophile's Youtube channel and he said that while he is selling things, with something of a return policy, business is undoubtedly slower. I was even entertaining some Ohm/Walsh speakers, which sound like a good deal -- free shipping. But only free shipping TO me, not free shipping back to them. So, not cheap to try. PS Audio pays the shipping each way, so that's a nice way to really try things without risk.

All that said, it really doesn't take long to rule something out in a store. If I listen to 5 sets of speakers in an hour, I at least narrow it down. The idea of paying and having things shipped to me seems like a good approach -- if I have already narrowed it down, first. But, as you point out, that initial listening experience is SO key.