The problem with cables is they should never alter the sound of a system but there are so many poorly implemented components in the world that cables are often times used to fine tune for a weakness in a system. The problem is if you ever change a component, especially a weak component that was causing your initial dissatisfaction you will then be in another loop of cable replacement.
Ocellia cables do not alter a system's sound. They are simply revealing and pass through from one end to another. If the sound is not good with these cables in your system you need to look elsewhere than the cables. That can include components but also the room and where your system is positioned. I've had my share of EXPENSIVE / OVERPRICED cables in my system and this is exactly how I feel about my ASI Liveline ICs and SCs. They sound fabulous with all my dfferent tube and SS components ... simply pass through without much contamination. I'm off the bus for the forseeable future on cables. ASI PC also sounds excellent but I found them current limiting even on my DAC so don't use them. Has anyone have experience with Ocellia PCs? How do they work with high current components? |
The Ocellia speaker drivers not only have no crossovers but they also use Alnico magnets and silver wound voice coils. They have an impedance of 16 Ohms and have a heavy brass ring and cage that is critical to their performance. They also have the ability to be grounded which allows for another layer of grunge to be removed that is created by the static charge generated by the driver suspension. This is something Tannoy has been doing for years now. It is very easy to test and repeatable.
I believe Jeff's Place blog has an blurb or two about this and his experience with grounding.
All these things add up to a very fast, responsive and revealing speaker. |
Tedsnapp,
Thanks for the additional information.This Ocellia and the Horning are speakers I must hear one day.
Regards, |
The Livelines are really very good.I used their IC and SC in my system for 2 years before purchasing the Ocellia Silver Reference to replace them.The Liveline do out perform a number of more expensive cable looms.I have not used either brand`s PC however.
Regards, |
Cables are my least favorite components to change. When I get the itch again, I will include Ocellia to my list. |
Charles1dad
I had a full loom of ASI Liveline. They were blown completely out of the water by HiDiamond cables. All parameters considered. |
Sabai,there are so many choices in cables available you could spend a lifetime(or two) trying to hear them all.The Ocellia does`nt blow the ASI out of the water.They share similar qualities but the Ocellia is more natural, nuanced,refined and has even better developed tone,timbre and harmonics(which is an ASI strength).I could be happy with either in my system.
Regards, |
Anyone have a price list or ROM pricing for single ended 1 meter IC's and 8' speaker cables? |
The price list can be found on the Ocellia web site. |
Another surprise (not). A thread on interconnects and Sabai pipes up yet again about how amazing his HiDiamond cables are. |
Just read Frederic Beudot excellent 6Moon's Ocellia review. From his description on the differences with the Livelines, I MIGHT prefer the Livelines in MY system. I like the leading edge, agressive snd never found the cables fatiquing or bright and I can't stand brightness.
I will never know until I try so will definitely include Ocellia to my list whenever I get the itch again. |
Just read Frederic Beudot excellent 6Moon's Ocellia review. From his description on the differences with the Livelines, I MIGHT prefer the Livelines in MY system. I like the leading edge, agressive snd never found the cables fatiquing or bright and I can't stand brightness.
I will never know until I try so will definitely include Ocellia to my list whenever I get the itch again. |
Because nobody heard of them!! |
Knghifi,
It will simply depend on system makeup and taste.Both are top tier IMO.Both are very transparent,open,dynamic and honest(very little editing).Both are high resolution and clear,natural rather than 'hifi'. The Ocellia just manages to do this while maintaining a sense of ease,fluidity and musical flow.The ASI has excellent tone,the Ocellia took this quality a step further in my system.I could easily recommend either.
Regards, |
@ Charles1, are you involved with Ocellia? It seems to me that you and the HiDimond guy sound like bosom buddies! Sabai, you should really get paid for all the advertising you throw on the wall.
This is what gets me on these forums.
Vicks cracks me up because he is dead on! Another cable thread, another Sabai (or any of the other names the guy's got going!) comment about HIS cables! Give me a break!
This thread is about another brand so they are trying to hi-jack it!
Ebm, you are BANG ON! Nobody's heard of many of these brands unless you are an audio geek or some sort of HiFi nerd!! |
Doremifasol, Charles1dad is just trying to help and I appreciate his input. I doubt he's involved with Ocellia. :-) |
Doremifasol,
Your post makes no sense at all. This is a thread about Ocellia and I happen to own their Reference cable and am pleased with it.I`m impressed with it and my former ASI liveline and was responding to Knghifi`s comment about the 6 Moons review that compared these two cable looms.
Just because they`re small companies with a low profile does`nt mean these products can`t be exceptional(which they are).There are bigger brand name(by high end standards)) products that can be rather underwhelming.The size of a company has no correlation with it`s quality level.
Regards, |
@ Knghifi: But from your answer mate, I gather you don't totally disagree with me about this Sabai chap who keeps going on and on about his HD cables?
Kinda getting monotonous to hear how great cables are from the same 3 or 4 chaps isn't it? Bit of a circle jerk ain't it?
Hey Charles, no worries, I was just asking if you were pretending to be an end-user like that other guy does! If you aren't, I apologize for the question. If you are, well, then you are in the same boat as others on this forums.
What we need is a torpedo to get rid of THOSE guys! |
Doremifasol,I`m just a very happy Ocellia customer that`s all.I`ve posted far more often on audiogon about my Coincident 300b SET amp and Statement linestage.When I find truly fabulous components that convey the emotion of music I like to share my joy and inform others who may possibly be interested.Nothing more or less.
Regards, |
Doremifasol, I'm NOT like Joncourage, I welcome all point of views. With an open mind, SOMETIMES you might learn something new
but not sure about this case though.
It's their right to make a A of themselves if they chooses. It's the price of FREEDOM so I don't believe in censorship or have a moderator to edit the content before posting. Just the thought sends chills up my spine.
You can always requests Agon add a member IGNORE feature? :-) |
I have also been a fan of the Ocellia cables. I have written about their power cords in this thread and I have their interconnects throughout my system. I like them for their combination of trasparency, airiness, detail and weight. I replaced my phono cable with the Ocellia phono cable 2 days ago and the difference was absolutely stunning. It was bigger than any component upgrade I could have made. Highly recommended. |
So now I have all Ocellia ICs and power cords and want to try their speaker cable but hear they lack weight, who has experience with their sc good or bad? |
Why don't you try them and hear for yourself? |
Because even my dealer who uses Ocellia cables doesn't use their speaker cables, prefers something else. |
Rsf507,
My 2 cents worth, I `ve had both the Ocellia Reference IC and SC for 8 months. The SC is superb! every bit as compelling as the IC.They share the sme level of naturalness,honesty and the uncanny realism.I find both to be excellently balanced with neither favoring a particular portion of the frequency spectrum.Tone and overtones/harmonic preservation is superb.
I`m sure your dealer has a reason for his choices as this stuff is just subjective.If you`re happy with the IC I suspect you`ll have the same out come with the wonderful SC.Again,they`re both very honest and nuanced,they will not hide, compensate or coverup flaws esle where in a system.They`re peas in a pod and naturally work well together.
Regards, |
Rsf507, When I was auditioning Ocellia I went to the TAVES show in Toronto to hear the system. They had the whole system hooked up and driving Zu speakers. I was there on a Friday and loved the sound. I returned on Sunday to hear the system again with a friend and when I went into the room the system had lost life, lost some air and it felt heavy. Too heavy. I was saddened as I thought I had miss-heard the system two days prior.
In taking a closer look, Ocellia had been obliged to change all the interconnects and speaker cables to a brand he was sharing the cost of the room with. I will not mention the name of this brand, you may be able to find it searching 6moons review of the 2011 show. The replacement cables were five to ten times the cost. It was the cables that had given all the weight but it was the wrong weight, it was imbalanced.
As the years go by I have learned what balanced sound is, I am still learning but any cable that adds or takes away is a scary proposition. Ocellia cables do not do that, I own a complete set and the Calliope.21twin speakers. With a revealing system one has to be cautious with cables that influence the sound. The Ocellia cables simply pass everything through, all the high, all the deep grunting lows and most importantly all the information in the middle. If something is lacking with Ocellia cables in your system, it is not the cables doing it.
Having said that with less revealing systems in the past I certainly would entertain modifying the sound with cables, unfortunately as your ears and brain matures and learns about balanced sound you will hear the artificial influence in your system. Although some people never do learn or care about that. That is okay as long as they are happy, but those same people can often be the ones making comments most about what this cable or that cable adds or takes away from their system.
Hope this helps a little. |
Just heard Charles1dad Ocellia Ref. Digital cable between my Lampizator Dac and PS Audio Transport. This cable gave me the best sound I ever had in my home. I kid you not. Huge soundstage, air, natural tonality, warmth and imaging. I have a WyWire Gold digital cable coming and I think I may be buying this cable that is how impressive it was. We shall see. |
You need to contact Ocellia directly. They now have an office in Montreal - Canada. Av. de l'Esplanade |
