Not in love with my system yet. Help!


I've upgraded my system quite a bit over the last couple of months and I received the components separately due to shipping delays. I got my Parasound Integrated first and all hooked up. It made quite an improvement. I received my B&W 606 S2's a week later. Happy but knew the arrival of the subwoofers I bought would really help make them shine. I received the first of 2 REL t7i subs and hooked it up as directed and the improvement in sound was astounding so I was ecstatic about the thought of getting the second which was a day later. That's where I ran into issues. I have a Denon receiver which handles the HT side of things. My mains are run through the integrated of course and the only source directly connected to the integrated is a Bluesound Node. I have been unable to integrate the subs for music only when I try with both. I can run Audysey and it did an amazing job for my HT but that doesn't do a thing for me as far as stereo. I have bought a UMIK1 and downloaded REW but know they aren't going to give me any way to correct anything. All of my interconnects are unbalanced (RCA) so not sure which unit I should get to help me along. I have looked into miniDSP but think it only has balanced in and outs. I'd like to keep cost as low as possible as wife is on warpath. What unit do I need to get? I get pretty lost in the forums sometimes sorting everything out so forgive me please for asking to shorten my time to get to my goal and going over things that have probably been addressed before. Much thanks!
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Thank you @millicurie999 , I will be researching this product. All of this is very new to me and very daunting!

I think I've finally got this to where it's listenable at least and no that with a few minor tweaks I can get it pretty close until I'm able to invest in room correction and room treatment.

Thank you much everyone for your help on this and I have learned quite a bit!
@thecarpathian Because for stereo purposes it's supposed to be fuller and more balanced with two. I may end up going back to one but I'd like to get the most out of what I have if it's possible and it is supposed to be possible.

@oldhvymec Looks interesting but I think I need to get something that plays nice with REW.
@hshifi I did the sub crawl yesterday and am thinking I will employ that positioning as soon as wifey clears out all the Christmas decor. One issue I realized with at least one sub is I am at least 20' away where I found a good spot with good resonance. I will either need to get a longer RCA or leave it disconnected on one which mean only one sub will be doing double duty.

@mm1tt7 I am in the same frame of mind. It is more important to me to get 2 channel correct but both should be doable.

@erik_squires Thanks much! I wasn't aware of that and I think this is going to be a big part of the solution. I know they have several products so is this the one you would recommend?
@millercarbon I have both of them hooked up, that's not the issue. The problem is it sounded like magic when I had just the one and not so much with two. It is in the integration part of it and getting it set up properly that is giving me problems. I've experimented with placement, setting the crossovers and gain and have yet to capture the magic again. I'm thinking I need to work with room correction software to get things squared away but not sure what product.
@larry5729 No, the integrated has nothing to do with the HT side of things but I must run my receiver through it for my mains to get signal as they are still deployed while watching the tube or movies. The integrated has HT bypass which is confusing to me because that's what you are in while using HT. The remaining inputs for the Parasound integrated are for when in 2 channel and nothing is coming from the receiver at all. 

@oldhvymec1 Love your point of view and this was well said. I gather from your handle you were maybe in mechanized infantry? Happy New Year right back at you. I have my doubts but hoping 2021 will be better than this has been.
@havocman Thank you for your constructive criticism. I will take your observation under serious consideration. Cue eye roll.

@thecarpathian Yes!

@reubent Correct in every aspect except for one. I initially hooked up the REL as directed with the Speakon- Neutrik cable and got it dialed in pretty easily. I did not run Audysey in order to achieve this as one has nothing to do with the other according to REL. They are designed for this type of application. After I got it set up for 2 channel I didn't run Audysey right away because I knew I was receiving the 2nd sub the next day. Hooked it up as directed. I've tried a few different spots for it and even moved the 1st one to get me where I need to go. I wasn't really satisfied with the sound but went ahead and hooked up the RCA's to the Low Level inputs from the sub outs on the integrated. Audysey wouldn't recognize the 2nd sub so I went directly to the Denon sub outs which corrected that issue. After running it the sound for HT was pretty spectacular but of course that doesn't do anything for 2 channel as the Denon is cut out of the equation. If I'm understanding what Audysey does it corrects for room (nodes?) and delivers the low frequencies in the proper manner to my listening position. If this is correct it tells me positioning of the subs is the biggest issue. Now, if I can manage to get these subs dialed in properly for 2 channel I should be able to run Audysey again and have it correct for when in HT.

@p05129 The only way they would be running at the same time is if I had a source running from the Denon at the same time I was listening to music. They don't recommend you do that of course.

@crn3371 These RELs are designed to do just that. When they are integrated properly they will provide all of the explosions and bullets whizzing by your head when in HT but disappear (blend) with your mains when in 2 channel. 

@cwory I have been in touch with them and they are helpful but all they can do is verify I have everything connected properly and suggest I experiment with positioning, crossovers and gain.

As far as millercarbon goes I can take the good and the bad isn't too bad. If you haven't read through the comments of his virtual system you might be more dismissive of him than you should be. I will continue to try to learn from everyone including him.
@crn3371 I was speaking with customer service at REL yesterday and they said you do want your Speakons connected at the same time while in HT because it will continue to enhance the main speakers musicality and fullness while in HT as well as the RCA for .1 LFE. I asked them to clarify what they meant by not using both at the same time and they said you wouldn't want to have two sources of courses going at once.

@reubent Both the receiver and the integrated have 2 sub out connections. I was running RCAs from receiver to integrated then integrated to sub but it didn't recognize two so I went directly to receiver and it worked well. Thanks for the info on speaker settings in the receiver as far as large and small. I have the crossover setting at 60 for the mains.

Thanks once again @erik_squires ! This will be my birthday present to myself.
@reubent My set up is exactly as you describe and in talking to REL and their literature that is all exactly as you describe as well. I think my issue has to be placement. If the subs sound fantastic in HT after I run Audyssey and they have been room corrected but not in 2 channel without correction it tells me the low freqs aren't arriving at my listening position at the optimal wave point. Does this make sense? I know 2 chan and HT aspect of it are independent of each other so it should be, as you said, that once I have the 2 chan right I can then hook up the RCAs and run Audyssey and be good to go. How difficult was it for you to get the crossover and gain levels dialed in? It's hard for me because I have to move something and run back and forth to my listening position. Thanks for all your help!