No bass on B&W 800D2
Hi,
I’ve been a B&W fan Since the late 90s and have owned many different speakers over the years. I’ve owned a pair of 802Ds (first gen) For a long time and those had always been my dream speaker.
I recently had the opportunity to upgrade to a pair of 800D2. I had never heard the 800 or the second generation diamonds before, but was tempted by the idea of owning the flagships. I don’t like the looks and sound of the newer generation 800 so in my mind, I was upgrading to the top of the line speaker of the last generation that I like.
I’ve had these speakers for three months now, and I’ve played around with positioning and levels of my subwoofers. when I first set them up I immediately noticed a lack of bass compared to the 802’s. I listen in the near field and have the 800 approximately in the same position as the 802, although with slightly more toe in and a little further away from the wall as they seem more sensitive to room placement than the 802s did. Even pushed up to the wall there is not more bass, just boom.
I’m powering them with a Classé sigma amp 2, which doubles to 400W a channel on 4 ohms. Before you say it’s the amp, the 802s sounded exactly the same on my Denon 4520 as they did on the Classé amp after I upgraded to that - so I don’t really subscribe to the “more power” idea and believe an amp won’t change the sound dramatically as long as it’s decent quality and has enough power. I mostly listen at lower levels anyhow.
Has anybody had the same issue with the 800D2 lacking so much bass compared to the 802D? The midrange sounds about the same and the highs are way more tame, which I like, but this lack of low end authority is making me seriously consider selling these again which makes me sad - since they are absolutely gorgeous in the looks department.
thanks for your thoughts in advance - would appreciate hearing from actual owners of these.
I'm curious if you've had a chance to look at the Power requirements for the speakers. I think the 800s relatively underpowered versus the 802. Crossover for the 802d3 that I have Robs a lot of power when the signal passes through it so I hear and it sounds that way because you can hear that there's a lot of restriction going on with the signal. It is not as open as I'd like it to be. A lot more power are the 800s. |
The 800 have bigger cabinets, bigger woofers, they go down to 3ohm (802 dip into 3.52ohm). All the symptoms you’re describing mean your 200w per channel Classe amp does not have the juice to drive these speakers properly. I had N803 way back when and they were very power/current hungry. |
First of all I’d like to say thanks to all of you for chiming in and trying to help, I really appreciate every response. @audphile1 the same is generally said about the 802Ds I had before, and they sounded the same powered by my Denon 4520 as they did powered by the Classé. I mostly listen around 75db and I sit in the near field, so I can’t imagine they’re drawing much more than 10W from the amp most of the time. The 802s had way more bass even when playing at very low levels so I really doubt it’s the amp. I’d surely love to test beefy mono amps, but I don’t have space in my room to add separates at the moment. if I walk up to the room boundaries the 800 have plenty of bass, so it’s likely my MLP is inside a null - what I still don’t understand is how the 802s sounded so different in exactly the same speaker location given how similar their cabinets and overall geometry are. |
I definitely feel your pain as I have been craving more bass ever since getting into this hobby in the 90s. I have had similar experiences with a pair of Paradigm signature 100 v 3s (these are also power hungry speakers which require a lot of power) I thought I 'd share an experience with interconnects that might present some options. I have found over the years the signal strength of your sources, the pre amp and interconnects play a huge role. - I recently upgraded/ changed my cable from my home theatre smart connect box - going from a digital optical out though a dac to a direct analog heimdall 2 3.5 mm to rca into my pre amp- It woke my speakers right up- the difference was huge. Combination of higher quality interconnect, a better connection through the analog output resulted in great bass response I did not think was possible. |
