New receiver
Our old Denon is starting to fail and I have been looking for a USED av receiver for around $500 + - for our TV and movie watching. After research I have narrowed it down to these models...Onkyo NR TX 838 Yamaha RXA 1020 and Denon 3313ci all seem to have a load of features I may or may not use plus plenty of power. |
Mtrot? I jest of course (unless u were Zd542, in which case u deserve crucifiction!! :-) ). Glad it's sounding good for u of course. (U do get more dynamics , quieter noise floor n better separation, usually, n more refinement n such w better pre's. That's all. .when ur ready) As for this guys Receiver options, again, im recommending the biggest baddest latest piece he can find at ur max budget , then also make sure features you just cannot live without are included n great if u can get a warranty!! (Yup n id make sure room EQ). Good luck |
Mtrot?, Onkyo receiver WITH KRELL AMPLIFIER!??!!! ABOMINATION!!! ..I sentence thee to 10 years of Audiophile Pergatory!!! :-0 ..nnnnnooooo!! Do urself n da rest o da audio universe a flavor n D I T C H DA OFFENDING INFIDEL!!! THOU SHALT NOT HAVE ONKYO N FINE KRELL MATING N BREADING IN SAME HOUSEHOLD! lol! Get a REAL AVprepro to have little Audiophile equip offspring in da living room, n dis-own dat mass marketed Chinese made bastage!! NOT ACCEPTABLE,MR!! hehe.. |
Denon used to have better quality control at lower price points, IME. But Denon's overall stand-alone sound quality is still a pinch better At all price points, though. What you do get is more amplifier power and features on Onkyo's, dollar per dollar. If however, I was buying off shelf today at $1000, I'd say I'd probably still have to get the Onkyo. (wow I can't believe I said that! ..I'm disappointed in you Denon!) For the record, Just stating, that a few years old HK or Yamaha AVR with features needed, add some used Parasound HCA1205a 5 ch power amp - all for $1000 range, used, total - and would most definitely stomp on the sound quality of the $1000 stand-alone AVR, new!!! Yup, pretty much hands down. Just saying... I'd rather have superior sound quality/performance, myself. $1000 new Denon/ONkyo = 6-7/10 sound quality,all considered $500 (used) AVR(w EQ)+amp = 8-8.5/10 sound quality |
The all in one box feature is for this guy. A couple of people have recommended Denon either the 4200 or 4100 or the 3100 series. Seems like they are all pretty similar. Higher numbers more power and better Audessey and now HDCP 2.2. Do we need this? How do the Denons stack up against the competition. Thanks for all of the responses. |
.... otherwise very good sounding Arcam, NAD, and B&K receivers but, again, NO EQ feature! (basically all rooms have bass problems you'll not fix from 20hz -300hz, and REQUIRE EQ'ing, PERIOD! ..too invaluable to pass up for hi-fidelity, IME). You (he??) doesn't need 7.1 or Atmos, etc? Any 5.1-7.1 that fit on the list, are worth investigating, find reviews, or must give a try or sell if don't work out for you. Ok, I'm done now. .. |
I pretty much concur along lines of Rlwainwright. Separates, yes, would be strongest sounding/performing option, sonics wise. Better amplifier with separates, like 95% of the time, by default - weak amps in ESPECIALLY lower priced AVR's. If not, then get the AVR and consider adding an outboard amp to that mix with AVR that has Pre-out's. If you can't - or don't want to - go with multiple boxes, and stay AV receiver all-in-one, then I suggest the most features, DEFINITELY WITH A ROOM EQ, 4K pass, 3D, switching, Bluetooth, connectivity, whatever, you can find in an AVR. Used market and refurb (warranty?) gets you MUCH more bang for buck, as this stuff depreciates down to $0.10c on the dollar from MSRP like nobody's business!! Believe it! Buy new, and you'll get less, weaker amps, and less power for your dollar (although lots of features for money these days, regardless, minus preout's) . That all said, either way, I'd strongly recommend a warmer sounding receiver (crossed over to 100-80hz to a sub) and or amplifier in the mix, to balance the slightly cool somewhat analytical yet clear sonic character of Deftech's, such as Denon, NAD, Onkyo, Integra, Sherwood, and such for AVR's. For amplifiers, consider used Parasound, Classe, NAD, Integra, Sony ES, Outlaw(?), Bryston, etc, and similar, with warmer more forgiving tonality. Million choices and directions. I'd prob steer away from Yamaha, Pioneer, cheaper Marantz, and even the otherwise superb HK's with your Deftech's, if I had to guess. Anthem?..might be tick bright, but then maybe not. Otherwise top tier AVR with EQ and refinement. That's my experience of playing with this stuff for decades now. Some pieces may vary of course. I'd recommend the |
If high performance is important to your friend then R1's suggestion is a good one as you hit the $1000+ price range. If they're just looking for something that provides decent performance, convenience, and reliability, I'd look at Yamaha AVRs. They get relatively high marks for sound quality and I don't see people reporting problems with them, unlike Onkyo. Also, if it has enough features and power you may well get everything you need from a $500 AVR and maybe even less. Best of luck. |
For $1,000, your friend could actually afford some separates: a preprocessor and an amp. In most cases, separates will handily outperform (sonically, not gimmicks) a similarly priced receiver. Tell him to look for something like the Emotiva UMC-200 preprocessor and an Emotiva UPA-500 amp. Unfortunately, Emotiva has just recently discontinued these items, but they should be readily available on the 2nd hand market. And, because they come with 5 years warranties, the chances are very good that he could get a set still under warranty. Another really good option would be the Sherwood PT-7030 preprocessor and an Emo amp. The Sherwood is a very good preprocessor that was last sold by Emotiva. It has all the bells and whistles you could ever want. Found one on FleaBay for $585 - Buy It Now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sherbourn-PT-7030-AV-Surround-Preamp-Processor-/231670967313?hash=item35f0aa6c11 A real bargain setup would be this Outlaw 990 Preprocessor for only $280 Buy It Now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Outlaw-Model-990-Pre-Amp-7-1-Channels-Tested-Working-/391243873137?hash=item5b17f3bb71 You still need a 5-channel amp with this and those can be found on FleaBay or here on A'gon. Here's a nice Adcom GFA-7500 amp on A'gon for $450: https://app.audiogon.com/listings/multi-ch-adcom-gfa-7500-5-channel-amplifier-price-reduced-2015-09-01-amplifiers-24551-forest-va That amp will walk all over ANY amp you can find in a receiver! There are many more choices for $500 and under. Long story, short: shop wisely and you can get a high performance system for mid-performance money... -RW- |
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