Received my Matrix speaker cables today to go with the Matrix interconnects I already have.To say they are,right out of the box, a significant improvement over the previous generation of CT speaker cables would be an understatement. They are amazing. The construction is first class and equal to or better then any I have had. Every aspect of the musical presentation has improved. Details as I get more along...Thanks Bob. |
t_ramey, I will post a direct link tonight when I get home.
Wig |
@wig
Where are you getting the diy cable for the Black Mamba v2? All I'm seeing are finished cables on ebay. |
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No experience yet on the Matrix but the Oyaide Tunami Terzo
V2 is a very good sounding cable and will embarrass cables upward of $1.5K+ and
we are talking about $200 cables bought directly from an authorized distributor
in Japan.
I discovered the beauty of Oyaide SSC 102 about 2 months ago
after hearing many rave about their Black Mamba V2 PC and it is fantastic;
replaced my full loom of Nanotec # 308 and 1 CTE Red with these and couldn’t be
happier. This DIY PC can be made for $130 total with Parts Connexion Rhodium AC
Plug Set.
It’s the latest copper techniques that’s driving the
performance of this cable, hence the name SSC which is pure copper with a
conductivity of 102. This is an Outstanding product and yields a greater
performance ratio than replacing a fuse and of course it is all system
dependent.
Wig :) |
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oyaide emphasizes more on the treble when comparing to matrix. however, it feels lighter too. it can be a bit (just a bit) too much treble on some recordings but still not harsh feeling. matrix is smoother and fuller. maybe details are a bit more and individual instruments are better seperated on matrix. overall matrix is better balance on everything. both of them are excellent cables. |
@littlecx & @wig any comparisons of the Oyaide Tunami Terzo V2 interconnects to the Cerious Graphene or Matrix interconnects? |
@littlecx, I also recently acquired some Oyaide Tunami Terzo V2, their latest copper techniques and they are a very good sounding interconnect; transparent, precise placement within the sound-stage, tight bass with excellent imaging and PRAT. Wig
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Just unplugged HF Reveal and plugged the GM XLR. Initial impression: Before Reveal, I was using Oyaide TUNAMI TERZO XX V2 (102 SSC). There is no significant difference between 6th day and 10th day burn-in for the Reveal. Reveal is good. Compare to Oyaide, I would describe Reveal natural and smooth. But is too smooth on my system and treble is too conservative. However the weight is better than Oyaide. Now the GM, it is simply the weight and smoothness of Reveal + clarity of Oyaide. This is what I want. This is just the beginning and I cant believe it is already that good. Can’t wait to see how it improve after burn-in. BTW, given the very affordable price tag, I would say Oyaide offers the best for the price. |
i just found that there is no lock on the dac side on the XLR GM cable. how to lock it up securely? |
littlecx,
I owned the Reveal balanced Interconnects through out my system and I thought they sounded great!
But, once I heard the Cerious Matrix cables, I sold all the Reveals.
For as good as the Reveals were the Cerious Matrix just made the music sound more lifelike. Once you use the Cerious Matrix you will get what I mean.
ozzy |
Happy to help.
Please let us know your thoughts after testing is complete.
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thanks lak, I will keep burning-in the Reveal maybe for 10 days to see if anymore improvement, and to see if the GM is really better. |
@littlecx, NO!
Change out the interconnects as soon as you want, don't shut down your system other than to change your interconnects. Just be aware that the sound, for a day or two might be influenced by magnetic conduction.
Really won't matter much because you have to burn in the new interconnects anyway and the sound will change a bit.
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thanks for your advice lak. So I have to unplug the Reveal and switch off my system for few days before I plug the GM? |
@littlecx, sounds like your system has been running 24/7 with a signal going through the Reveal interconnects correct?
Don't forget when you replace the Reveal with the GM there is going to be a lingering effect of the magnetic conduction for a couple of days, no big deal, I just wanted to mention that because a lot of people don't necessarily realize it.
Go for it!
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have beening burning-in for 6 days i.e. 144hrs |
You have to wait at least 100hrs until Reveal burns in... |
just recieved GM XLR today. however, my HF Reveal just burning-in for 6 days only. should I wait until it fully burn-in or just take out the GM to replace it? |
Great , that’s not hard to take at all ,.
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Great , that’s not hard to take at all ,.
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My first order is about two weeks.
My second order for a PC was fast - 5 days
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Well I’m going to have to place an order , what was the average wait time ? |
Thanks lprules1962, always good to hear what others are thinking!
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Update on my impressions of GM cables:
GM Interconnects DS (XLR) - two pairs in my system - about 250+ hours on them. Best interconnect I even used. Top to bottom coherency, have good pace - not sounding either fast or slow.
GM Digital DS (XLR) - about 90 hours in - miles better than the GE digital, which replaced a Nordost Valhalla 1. Sound is liquid.
Speaker Cables are installed in second system for burn in. Will post results a week from now.
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no guilt about leaving my amps on 24/7 past few weeks... |
I live in Michigan and I am freezing my cables off!
ozzy |
@rgrost
"Best guess the Standard are 90% of the DS. As Audiophiles we know that
the last 10% is the hardest to achieve and the most costly. So far we
have sold the Damping Squared as most are upgrading from GE. If I pushed
the Standard, customers would ask me why I sold them this when there is
something "Better" out there.
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I think you should offer both with good description and differences between the two on your site, BUT allow customers to decide/choose what they prefer. That said, I think you should push both since there's a price difference, and like most things, budget is a determining factor for customers.
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this has been a great past few weeks to not be in Michigan... |
Thank you for the feedback on the website. My daughter is the designer and I am flying her in to Phoenix in 10 days to "flesh out" the site. I will take any feedback you may have Ceriously and will attempt to make you all as happy as possible...
Bob
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Hi everybody...Bob from Cerious. Yes we do offer two different versions of the Matrix interconnects ; "Standard" which has no damping jacket and look much like Graphene Extreme on the outside, and "Damping Squared" which employs a sophisticated damping jacket. The Standard are cheaper ($999 pair vs $1249 pair RCA) and more flexible, but the Damping Squared sound better. Best guess the Standard are 90% of the DS. As Audiophiles we know that the last 10% is the hardest to achieve and the most costly. So far we have sold the Damping Squared as most are upgrading from GE. If I pushed the Standard, customers would ask me why I sold them this when there is something "Better" out there. I always recommend to go with the DS version simply because it is the ultimate expression of the Matrix line.
Orders: yes we are currently slow. I moved my son from Michigan shortly before Christmas to join the company and help with production. Teaching and training slows down the process but will - in the long run - enable me to focus on things like communication which clearly everyone would appreciate(!). We assumed that with the introduction of Matrix that it would take some wind out of the sails of Graphene Extreme, but nothing could be further from the truth - sales have only increased on the GE. Believe me we are working long hours to get out PERFECT Matrix line cables and will get faster. It is tough to track who has posted discussing delays as posting IDs are different than names and trying to figure out who is who is a brain teaser. Just write me at
rgrost@cerioustechnologies.com or call 623-703-9771 (especially you John!) and I will try to be available to answer the phone. The Matrix is worth the wait and we are going absolutely as fast as we can but never compromising quality. Thank you so much and Happy New Year!
Bob
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My first visit to their web page I remember reading a brief discription of the two top end interconnects, the standard Graphene Matrix RCA for $1000.00 and the Graphene Matrix Damping Squared for $1200.00.
My second visit to their web page I don’t recall seeing the standard Matrix mentioned also I had trouble scrolling through the discription and thought that could be my iPad acting up however didn’t someone mention the layout of their web page was totally new ?
Just some constructive criticism,...I don’t like thier site one bit and it would be nice seeing better photos of their product line ,..
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yeh still no update about my order. i ordered on boxing day. |
Before I ordered my interconnects, I asked Bob this exact question. So far, he is only selling the damping squared model even though the website mentions the other. Like another poster here, although I ordered them just before Christmas, I haven't heard anything since. Hopefully we'll get some updates on our orders soon now that the holidays are over. |
I also thought the only option was the Damping Squared interconnect for digital unless one purchased the Cerious Graphene which is not the Matrix. We need guidance! |
I didn’t know this either. Perhaps Bob will chime in.
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Hmm that's interesting. I didn't know there were two different types. On the order page all that's listed is Damping Squared interconnects unless I'm not reading it right. I wonder how much the standard Matrix interconnects cost? |
I have Graphene Matrix Damping Squared (Damping 2)
Lance
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Lance , are you using the standard Matrix interconnects or the Damping Squired ?
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@ozzy
I don't doubt what you say.
BTW (That's what she said) I just couldn't resist! ;-)
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lak,
As good as the Matrix interconnects are the Matrix speaker cables are awesome. Heck, even just looking at them will impress due to there size, weight and appearance.
ozzy
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Ozzy, funny you mention that. Although I have not had the opportunity to try the Matrix speaker cables (only the Matrix Interconnects which I really like) the original Cerious Technologies Graphene Speaker Cables had the largest impact on my systems.
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t_ramey,
To me the speaker cables had the bigger impact. But do get both eventually...
ozzy |
@ozzy
If you had to get one or the other which would be the choice. The Matrix interconnects or speaker cables?
I'm not going to be able to get both so would like to know which have the biggest impact. |
calloway,
The Matrix speaker cables are the best, you should really enjoy them. Give them some hours of playing time though before you judge.
Happy New Year!
ozzy
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Calloway , I had symular issues with my component stand and an area rug where I had to station the rack further out from the wall onto an antique area rug , long story , spouse involved,.....
Anyone using the Graphene Matrix Damping Square interconnects?
If so what were you using prior to the change ,? |
in_shore...i had to send my 3' Matrix pcs back because i could not make them bend enough to make a 12" distance connection. i have emailed Bob to see whether a 4'-5' pc will turn a loop quick enough to make that connection.I hope it will..i have Matrix speaker cables coming very soon. The interconnects are amazing.. |
@in_shore , The changes just might be worth it because these cables are very good. Also, the IC’s and SC’s are game changing.
if you haven’t heard a Berning amp since the Seigfried then you must hear the latest Berning designs from Linear Tube Audio. The change is radical from earlier designs..
Lance
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Lancelock I may do changes with wire in my system this new year and will consider Cerious .
I have a collective mishmash of power cords some of which are twenty years old like XLO , Signal Cable and the stiffest pair are Shunyata Taipan .
Like most I had notable changes in sound quality trying different brands of wire however these changes in sound were mostly with interconnects and speaker wire , power cords not so much except one ,
I thought to mention this because I noticed you use Bernings amp .The old Shunyata Taipan power cord reacted well with David Bernings Siegfried amps I had years ago , it was incredible how much noise that amp through off and how effective this particular power cord was especially reducing the noise floor , it was huge . Berning had a little headphone amplifier back then that reacted the same way with the Tiapan power cord .
That was the only time I experienced such a shift in performance using any power cord on any other components I tried with , going through the Shunyata line of ac wire on my other components had subtle effect to none , nothing anywhere close to what the Tiapan did for the Berning amps. |
