Hi there, has anyone upgraded from the DMS-600 to the DMS-700 that would care to comment on any SQ differences? Thanks!
New Cary DMS 700
I have the 600 and it is a great piece.
The 700 looks to be on the next level. Ladder dac
https://carydirect.com/shop-now/dms-700.html
The 700 looks to be on the next level. Ladder dac
https://carydirect.com/shop-now/dms-700.html
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Thanks everyone for all the information and suggestions. I'm still working through my NAS issue and may switch to a local SSD soon if I can't get things working. In the meantime I thought I would let you all know what I think about the 700. Before buying the Cary I used an Altair (gen 1). It sounded good but was fatiguing compared to my TT. I have a Cary Xciter DAC in my retired equipment closet and just for the heck of it I decided to run the streaming output of the Altair into the Xciter DAC. Big difference! More analog and enjoyable listening to my ears. I believe the Xciter uses the same AK DAC family as the newer Cary streamers. So that's what got me looking into the DMS-700. Now onto the DMS-700. When I first fired it up I noticed more detail and truer instrument tones. Acoustic instruments sounded significantly more real. Low end was more solid and balanced in the mix. Timing was improved too. It wasn't until the 4th day of ON time that I starting hearing acceptable image, focus and air. I'm on day 7 of running in and the DMS-700 is now exceeding my previous digital system in all aspects. It's also giving my class B analog equipment some competition too. I'm really enjoying it. |
I have a Cary DMS-600 and I can connect fine to my Synology NAS. Have you tried turning on the Media Server in your NAS? The Cary can find the media server without logging in. What's more, it doesn't have to index all the metadata again. I did just try using the PC share only and I can access it while logging in as well. I just put in the IP address of the NAS. Logging in fine with a non admin account. |
Cool feature The DMS-700 has expanded the function of the 3 USB-A and SD Card Slot inputs to be accessible from a networked computer. This means when the DMS is powered on, any storage connected to the DMS will act as a NAS Drive (Network Attached Storage). This allows you to copy your music file directly onto the USB or SD Card from a network computer without needing to disconnect them. This simply turns any USB drive or SD Card connected to the DMS into a NAS drive. Playback from these drives can be direct (computer-less) or monitored and controlled from a computer-based server i.e., JRiver, Twonky, etc., or even via Roon. What’s more, if you have more than one DMS you can play files from one DMS to another |
Anyone using a Synology NAS? I’m trying to get a DMS-700 to connect with my NAS and can’t get it to work. I already have admin and user permissions set up on my NAS. Neither will get the Cary to connect. My server name shows up in the "NETWORK INPUT"screen on the Cary software. When I select it the software asks for login username and password. When I enter either user or admin information, working circle shows up and after a second or two goes back to the login window. I’m using an ipad pro with the latest Cary app and hard wired network (Ethernet). My Macbook recognizes the DMS-700 in my network. Streaming and USB work fine. Any suggestions are welcome Thanks! |
That is exactly my path. I am using a generic Belden cable from my router. Before I got the optical module, I experimented with the JCAT LAN isolator and adding multiple generic d-link bridges and it seemed the more bridges, the cleaner the sound was. The optical module eliminated the need for all of those devices. I was using the EtherRegen strictly from the "A" ports. I found that "crossing the moat" actually reduced the dynamics and flattened the sound a bit, but oddly, just using the "A" ports still cleaned up the sound. Not sure if the EtherRegen is still providing any additional benefit now, but it does have a fiber port! The best sounding ethernet cable in my system was the Shunyata Omega, but I could not justify the price difference for the 10% refinement. Also note that I have Sonus Faber Cremona M speakers, so any decisions I make should be in the context of the Sonus Faber/Pass Labs combination. I can imagine if you have Magico/Soulution, you may have different results. The Sablon is killer for the price. I also tried their Prince power chord and really liked that as well. |
Also, I have never tried the opticalRendu, but just bought the opticalModule and huge thumbs up. Using it to etherRegen with Sablon 2020 ethernet cable. The Sablon was so much more detailed than my previous Sotm dcbl CAT7 cable. Tried the Synergistic Galileo ethernet cable and could not tell the difference between that and the Sablon. |
I wasn't happy with direct to amp until I put in Synergistic Orange fuses in the amps and switched to Stage III cabling. I can't imagine that anything extra I gain would be worth the cost of the additional power chord, interconnect and pre. I will buy the DMS-700 but I imagine my next step after that would be a Bartok or Bricasti (and hopefully, Qobuz catalog has caught up to Spotify by then) |
I ran my 600 directly into a pair of Odyssey Kismet extreme monos and it sounded pretty damn good but knew I was losing bits under 80 or so on the volume control. Inserted a Rogue Rp-7 and boy did the system blossom. The lower end really improved and the tube pre really brought on the magic. The direct volume setting still allows you to adjust the gain to match your system as it is not a fixed 2volts as with most dacs |
Curious if anyone has had the opportunity to try the new Spotify Connect functionality and if the quality is the same as Spotify in the native app? I went from a DMS-500 to DMS-600 and have been very happy with the sound of the DMS-600. Using it directly to Pass Labs XA-60.5. Bested PS-Audio BHK pre with telefunken tubes and Luxman DA-06 DAC and crushed the Auralic G1 streamer, which sounded dead in comparison. |
What about an opticalrendu? Some say that they are getting great results from it. Here is the link. I’m still researching it. https://forum.psaudio.com/t/opticalrendu-preliminaries/11106/4 |
Guys! Let’s take this information from a true customer, not a salesman and trust me, I completely understand sales and how it is bias along with how it works. Unfortunately, that’s for another thread if you dare want to discuss! I’ve had the top of the line Lumin as well as the previous top of the line Cary Audio. I still have the Cary Audio DMS600. It completely sounded better than the Lumin X1 Flagship model. I’ve compared them on the same system with no prejudice. I wanted the best possible sound with the gear I’m using. For example: * Wilson Audio Maxx 2 speakers * McIntosh MC2301 Monoblock amplifiers * Audio Research REF250 SE Monoblock amplifiers * Krell Evolution 402e amplifier * Chord SPM 6000 Monoblock amplifiers * Chord SPM 12000 amplifier * Jeff Rowland Model 12 * Cary Audio CAD805 AE (Anniversary Edition) Monoblock amplifiers Cary Audio SLP05 preamp with Ultimate upgrade and Kimber Cable wiring with tube rolling Audio Research Reference 10 Anniversary Edition preamp a lot more gear but you get the point. I’m very fortunate to go through these items to help me make a decision that was best for me as a consumer. After my decision, I sold the gear that didn’t make the cut for the sound I was looking for. The Cary DMS600 is still in my system along with the Cary SLP05. It was a tough decision but the Cary was much more flexible and sounded better especially when it comes to 4-6 hours of listening. No listening fatigue at all. The sound was smooth and warm with very good detail. It complimented my overall system. I’m still a huge fan of Albums, Reel to Reel tapes and SACD/ Redbook but I like where streaming is heading as far as sound quality. It still has a ways to go but that’s digital technology. As far as to where Lumin is made and who owns the company, never compare how long a company will last in the US especially where a company is in China. You better hope that the distribution company in the US hangs around. Also to note, there is a heck of a lot of Lumin for sale, about 180+ streamer/DAC’s. CONTACT HEAD OFFICE CONTACT DETAILS Pixel Magic Systems Ltd Unit 1316-1318 Building 19W Hong Kong Science Park Shatin, New Territories Hong Kong Business Hours: Mon–Fri 9am-6pm, Sat 9am–1pm How to Reach – Public Transportation +852 2655-6700 +852 3186-2352 Sales Hotline +852 2655-6778 Happy listening from a consumer, not a salesman |
I personally think Cary Audio has made its outstanding success in designing and manufacturing top rated streamers starting DMS-500 as the fundation. We all know the DMS-500 is still an awesome streamer actively in the used market, it certainly can be enjoyed many more years considering its full pack of high end chipset and audio features (especially the hard-to-find well implemented DSD upsampling feature). And Cary audio has been clearly making substantial "improvements" in DMS-550, DMS-600 and now up the game to DMS-700. It’s very tough to "better" the already "excellent" designs and this intention does involve high investments both financially and intelligently. Otherwise you and i today wouldn’t be investing our hard earned monies and became proud owners of Cary streamers and take our time sharing our experiences here. Again, I am very glad that i have made the decision to upgrade to DMS-700. It’s one of the very best streamers in today’s competitive market. I come from Asia and Cary brand streamers have earned super high regards from music lovers in Asian markets, same as in the USA. Now i reside in Western Canada but unfortunately we have zero audio dealer carrying Cary brand product here so only very few consumer know about the brand. Anyway, you can only love it or hate it, in this case i truly appreciate it ! |
I just received my DMS-700 today (upgraded from DMS-550). It didn’t take long to install the specially designed spike feet and the the dedicated Cary DMS-700 phone app. The DMS-700 perfoms great right from the 1st minute it was turned on. After 30 mins of playing my favorite tracks in Tidal and Spotify, in my opinion the DMS-700 outperforms the DMS-550 at least 35% better. I hear more details in the music especially impressed with the enhanced instrument separation. And the effect from percussion instruments are amplified thanks to the more accurate and progressive bass. The AKM4499 chipset is much more smoother than the AKM4493 in the DMS-550. I am so glad that i made the upgrade. The upgrade from DMS-600 to DMS-700 could be subtle though. |
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For those contemplating or recently purchased a Lumin T2, I recommend patience as the unit burns in. I do not have the T2, but do have an X1. For me I noticed substantial improvement at 200 hours, but even far finer at 400+ hours, which agrees with Lumin recommendations. I have read reports of improvement with the T2 by modification to an LPS, BUT be aware, such modification voids the Lumin warranty, and Lumin will not do repair unless the modification is reversed to original configuration. Peter Lie from Lumin posts on a number of forums. He is a wonderful source of information and detailed support, plus gives advice on situations not necessarily Lumin. He responds very promptly to postings. Excellent support! Regarding how Cary is responding via email only, this is quite common among a number of companies, not just audio, these days. The trend had been going on before COVID, but the pandemic truly has stressed manufacturers. The supply chain of needed parts/items to complete assembly and manufacturing has been severely disrupted. Prior to COVID companies utilized just in time procurement models for parts and supplies. Often, they cannot provide accurate fulfillment estimates to customers, because they cannot get accurate estimates from their suppliers. |
Do not think any have been shipped yet. Hopefully the 700 will have the detail of the Lumin T2 without the etch over long term listening in a brighter side of neutral system. The T2 is a real nice player if you have the matching room/electronics/cabling/speakers. I think a perfect speaker cable for the T2 would be the Silversmith Fidelium. Very neutral thru the mids and highs with detailed bass that needs to be heard. Excited for the 700 though as I enjoy the 600 and it should be a couple of notches better. |
So has anyone got the 700 hooked up and running yet?I am in the same boat as many, looking at the T2 and the 700. Cary is really running behind as I ordered a slp-05 preamp to audition on 12/23 and still nothing at the door. Currently running Magnipan 3.7’s & Thiel 2.4’s with a Pass X250.8 so I do like detail but hoping the Cary pre will slightly smooth the highs on some digital recordings. If it does then I may be more inclined to go the T2 route as lumin has a decent app as well. |
I originally purchased a full Cary Audio system when they were just getting started with their direct sales model. Even though I received a nice discount, ever since then, I have been in competition with them when I try to sell one of my components. With their direct sales model, list price means nothing as they discount heavily to move product. This has adversely affected my resale value and initial investment. Also, for those customers that have had to send their units back for service, I feel your pain. Technical Support will not accept any phone calls and has made it very clear to me that e-mail will be the only way they will communicate with me. Not very customer centric. I am able to speak to the Sales Manager for some minor technical issues. Also, since COVID19 hit, their reduced workforce has delayed service repairs as you are put on the back burner as they try to move new product. If you complain enough they will react, otherwise your unit will be held hostage until they get to it. Back on topic. I upgraded from the Cary DMS 500 to the Cary DMS 600 and have been very happy with the sound. With their initial offering of the DMS 700 at $5995, they were only giving me $2,000 for my relatively new DMS 600 on trade. I do not think anyone will be able to justify a $4,000 difference in sound no matter how good their ears are. As was explained to me a while back when the DMS 600 came out, it is Cary Audio's intention to upgrade this streaming unit every 1-1/2 to 2 years. Like LXGREEN I also purchased from Cary because everything is built in the USA and even took the time to travel to their facility in Raleigh NC and met with the owner. They are very nice people! Just difficult to deal with from a service standpoint. I want to speak to a real human being. When trying to explain a service problem, I have been openly criticized on multiple occasions by multiple Cary personnel for writing too long of e-mails. (Just as I am doing now). So I have had to alter how I correspond with them. Take this as constructive advice for any Cary customer who reads this and has a service problem. I apologize for the lengthy response, but some things about this company need to be expressed. |
Looks like retail on the Cary and the seperates are real close. Street price will probably be 1500 cheaper w the Cary. Now add in an extra aftermarket power cord a a good usb or hdmi you are adding another 800 or so. 2300 extra but you are getting a ripper and 2 tb ssd. If the DMS 700 sounds as good as that set I would be ecstatic . |
I owned a couple of Cary pieces in past. First one was a new tube amp that had design flawed and was charged over 1k to upgrade to “MKII” to correct their mistake. Next I bought their flagship preamp used which turned out to be manufactured out of phase. IT WAS BUILT THIS WAY INCORRECTLY! After multiple calls I had to send back to them at my expense (and return shipping as well) and they finally admitted it was built wrong but I had to pay to repair to get to the way it should have been built. Poor quality control, useless customer support. Only plus is they are built in USA but they behave as if they were from China. I will NEVER purchase any Cary product again. |
We will find out soon enough. Been quite a few units sold. The Aurender A10 is 5500 The Lumin T2 is 4500 Ps Audio Direct Stream w/ bridge is 6899 Mytec Manhattan w/ network card is 6999 Even though Cary will tell you to run a preamp for best results, I ran the DMS 600 directly into a pair of monos for a year. I the added a swarm sub system and it was easier for me to integrate a pre. I added a Rogue RP 7 tube linestage. It added a better bottom ( without the swarm ) and a little more air. It was not night and day,so the Cary sounds damn good as a stand-alone and with the connectivity you can certainly use it as a digital pre-amp. Street price will be right in line with features and SQ. |
This is the Cary claim 6moons disputed: " Not content using an R2R Ladder DAC alone, Cary says it also incorporated an FPGA chip that works in conjunction with the DAC to make sure no crossover distortion is present, “for an extremely coherent and smooth sound.” While there's several brands employing FPGA DACs already, and less utilising R2R Ladder DACs, Cary said that “almost no one uses both.” Dispute by Ebaen: "Did you see it? Let's break it down. First, they make a mega fuss over the AK4497 as though they designed it. They did not. They simply bought an off-the-shelf part. The 4-channel top AK4499 version already shows up in the S.M.S.L. M400 we just reviewed. That's $800,not $8'000. You'd expect self-congratulatory noise from Asahi Kasei the chip's inventor, not one of their buyers. Then comes "few companies use FPGA DACs and even fewer use R2R ladder DACs. Almost no one uses both." Either ABC haven't a clue; or they expect their buyers to be clueless. Quite a few companies use FPGA and R2R. In fact, the number of companies using discrete R2R keeps growing. In China alone off the top of my head there are Audiogd, Denafrips and Musician. Looking west, we get to stalwarts Aqua Hifi, LessLoss, MSB and TotalDAC. None of them craw over using an off-the-shelf part. They all roll their own discrete R2R networks. Those of course are controlled by guess what, custom FPGA code. How about Aries Cerat, Audio Note, Computer Audio Design, LampizatOr, Metrum, MHDT, Schiit and Sonnet? Do none of them count? To top it off: "Using FPGA alone as a DAC is not a good idea unless you think company X's local or outside solitary software engineer is more capable than the teams of engineers at giant chip makers not likely." Either ABC haven't heard of Ed Meitner, Andreas Koch, PS Audio, Chord; Co.; or they trash-talk them. Either way, 'twas a sorry day of fake news. Did those belong into our newsroom?Not! It's why I erased the machine's identity. The poor thing is perfectly innocent. It could sound stunning. That's not the issue. The issue is with the copywriter. Promoting a new product with such dubious claims is a sad new low. Hopefully hifi press outlets won't run with this release as is. And since we're still with the current administration, to the copywriter we say: "You're fired!" Now I feel better. Sorry, sometimes spleen just needs venting |
Hi Guys! I'm going to order the Cary DMS 700 for my audio system. I asked for Cary DMS 600 but it is out of stock. So, I have to wait for DMS 700. I have some comparison about these 600 and 700. In dms 600 it has the Blutooth input and output. DOES the 700 one has the same blutooth signals like 600. Thanks for replying me. |