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New analog rig(t.t.,tonearm,phono drive)

My current analog rig is a Basis 2001 w/ fluid suspension/Rega RB900/Benz Micro Wood M2/McCormack Micro Phono Drive. I like the Basis 2001 but I want to upgrade several levels up. Basis themselves and 2 Basis dealers suggested getting the Vector 4 tonearm. While that is definitely a good recommendation, they also recommend adding the Calibrator Base.
I think the Basis motor is high torque. But, to get the Calibration Base and possibly the Cable Isolation System(around $3,000) along with the Vector 4($6,000) will cost around $9,000 total. With any substantial upgrade I do believe it is time to upgrade from my McCormack Micro Phono Drive as well....That is why I was considering the Vertere MG-1/SG-1/PHONO-1 rig as all of that, even with a tonearm wiring upgrade to hand built, is in the $10,000-$11,000 ballpark which is my budget for the upgrades. I am sure I can sell my Basis 2001/RB900/McCormack phono drive so maybe I could raise my budget a little.

Vertere design is very different than Basis as far metal(w/acrylic mat) vs. acrylic platter, recommendation of no use of a record clamp, motor on the plinth and
lack of suspension(I believe)...I have a 200+ pound Sound Anchors rack so suspension may be less a factor to consider?....Or I could use an isolation platform...And Vertere’s tonearm, while it looks like a uni pivot, Vertere says it definitely is not...

So, while I am open to any other gear, up for consideration is the Vertere MG-1/SG-1 w/ HB wiring/PHONO-1 for $10,000-$11,000 or The Calibrator Base/Cable Iso System, Vector 4, new phono drive for $10,000-$11,000. That just seems a lot to spend to upgrade a 2001.

I’ve never read a bad thing about Basis and my current system has served me well. And I’ve read very good things about Vertere; that this rig combination sounds incredible....But I value the opinions here.
I’ve read several posts from Basis owners but none regarding the U.K’s Vertere...Have any posters here looked into/heard about or own a Vertere system? All feedback is greatly appreciated.
vinylshadow
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mijostyn
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Vinylshadow, If you get the Cosmos in something like Macasar Ebony it is very handsome. I would not get the Millennium as it is not as well isolated and it is not as nice to use. The Cosmos has a beautiful hinged dust cover that is isolated from the subchassis. The subchassis is isolated within the plinth so you can bang on the turntable and not hear a thing. It is nicer to use than any of the other turntable even the Dohmann. If you put your hand down on the Dohmann you get the whole thing bouncing. You have to go to great lengths to have a satisfactory dust cover. You can't just mount one on the turntable like you can with the SOTA. I just wish they would make a version that would take a 12" tonearm. 
As for what your friend hears? I never trust what someone else hears. Listen for your self. Play with the turntable and see if it is stable. Can you jump on the floor without it skipping? Is the very lowest bass satisfactory.
Take a copy of the Red Hot Chili Pepper's  Blood Sugar Sex Majik. See if it makes it through the first side without a hiccup. If it does that is a good sign. 
As for your Basis you can absolutely put a new arm on it. The Kuzma 4 point 9 would be a great choice. IMHO the Calibration Base is a waste of money. A J's design does not need it. I think he is rolling over in his grave.  You are much better off spending the money on a nice arm with solid bearings. The Kuzma 4 Point is a great value as are the Origin Live arms. If you want the ultimate go for a Schroder CB, a fabulously thought out design. 
vinylshadow OP
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Oh man @mijostyn AJ rolling in his grave about the Calibrator? That is hysterical..Ok, no Calibrator Base.

Great suspension etc. but the Cosmos is one of the most unassuming, unimpressive t.t.’s I’ve seen. And I hate paying a premium for wood finishes. I’d rather put that money towards a tonearm. Despite my objections, it is a great t.t. and I like the dustcover option.

My Sound Anchors rack weighs 300 pounds. You could drill for oil next to it and it wouldn’t move a fraction of a millimeter. Does that allow me some wiggle room to buy a cooler looking t.t. who’s suspension might not be as great as the SOTA’s?

The Schroeder tonearm looks very well made. Very promising...The CB-1 is about $5,0000. As far as your comment about SOTA tonearms(and the Schroeder), aren’t you better off with a 9" than a 12" due to stiffness etc.? Or with carbon fiber and wood it is not as much a concern?...I’ve never seen a wood tonearm before. I think either Touraj from Vertere stole the DG tonearm shape from the Schroeder BA or Schroeder stole the shape of his BA from the DG.  Or I could be wrong.

The Vertere SG-1 tonearm is also carbon fiber and looks like the Schroeder’s but it’s $2350. I bet that email acquaintance really has the Vertere Reference tonearm....
I’ve been told by Basis dealers and others that with a great tonearm, you can downgrade a bit on the turntable.

In all cases, I need to upgrade my phono drive. The Manley Chinook for $2700? I have solid state pre amp and amps.... I’m not sure a Herron VPTH2A tube phono stage would jive.

I hope to have my Basis 2001/RB900/Benz Wood M2 up and running in a week to get a baseline. Do I need to buy an LP of RHCP’s BSSM :)? I’ve got the CD but.......
mdbrown
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@millercarbon Not trying to revive an old thread but I do have a question. I read your post regarding the vibration isolation system and wondered if you knew what weight of silicon fluid goes in those dampers? I have a 2500 Signature, I sent an email to Basis but they wouldn't tell me, they want to charge me $1000 to recondition them. I'm sure they'd do a bangup job but I'd just like to refill them and call it a day. Thanks.
vinylshadow OP
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@mdbrown

When I was corresponding with Alex about my refilling my empty Basis 2001 pods, it was suggested that if I did not want to send the pods back to have them recalibrated, to buy 1 of the Basis 4oz bottles of silicone for $160 and add 1oz to each pod well.

"We have a set up here to get the optimum amount of damping fluid in each pod. The idea is to have the spring which is in damping fluid be the only connection between the turntable and the environment for the best vibration isolation. Too little fluid and the damping is less effective, too much fluid is worse because then the turntable spring foot is sitting in the fluid and you lose the isolation. The amount of fluid is slightly different in each corner due to the weight distribution. That said you could measure out 1 oz of silicone fluid for each pod if you want to add the fluid."

I was going to use a Monoject syringe with a metal tip to inject exactly 1oz. each. But, as Alex said, the differing weight distribution to each pod could translate to slightly different amounts of silicone for each pod.

mdbrown
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@Vinylshadow

Interesting. Alex never mentioned that. Mine aren't empty but they have lost fluid due to being shipped without being sealed. I don't know how much goes in each pod, I was going to fill them based on the instructions. The manual states that they should not be tipped more than 10 degrees or the fluid would leak so I was going to use that 10 degree spec to determine the proper fluid level. I'll send an email to Alex and see if they sell the fluid still. If they don't I'm back to seeing if anyone knows what weight it is. Thanks for the info.

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