need amplification help for sonus faber amati


Hallo everybody,

I was lucky to get a pair of SF Amati speakers.listening to them with a McIntosh mc402 and a preamp McIntosh c2200 does not satisfy me. I feel that the Amatis are just perfect for my ears but I need to amplify them better. I would like to find an amplifier and Preamp combination that makes them disapear completely. also I need a second hand combination under 10k € for money reason.
What is out there, a little bit older but still reliable (tube or solid state) that you would recommand to have a big soundstage, lots of details and enough power.
Thank you for your help,
greatings from Paris
Daniel

I also have two understanding questions:
1- the power rating seems so different between solid state and tube amps. why do I need less watts in tube amps for the same result?
2- what is more responsable for a wide soundstage: the amp or the preamp?
dacapobone
Dacapobone, as the Amati appear to belong to the type of speakers that are best driven with a modicum of stout control, you may also consider some higher end class D amplifiers. Am particularly fond and familiar with the Jeff Rowland 312. I use them to drive a pair of Vienna Mahlers with great success, which are also somewhat difficult to drive with many amps because of their reasonably wild impedance curves. I have written a discussion of the 312 on The Absolute Sound 188, as a sidebar in my review of the Vienna Mahler speakers.
In my experience, some switching class D amps can sound as refined as amps of any other class. . . and they have the great advantage of generating almost no heat. . . and of driving difficult loads with great ease.

BTW, does 'bone' stand for posaune?

Saluti, Guido
former Amati Homage owner, I have tried many amps on them and I agreed with Denmark Sonus Faber importer the best sound was achieved with BAT VK-75SE/150SE. not Rowland, Pass, ARC, Sonic Frontiers, McCormack, Accuphase, and a few others I can't recall now.
I guess Guidocorona knows who I am, the mask has fallen. Yes I am the german trombone (posaune) player that lives in Paris you are propably thinking of. (I will send you an email over audiogon to find out who you are and how did you guess.This is not so interesting for the others here.)

About the Rowland D class, I think they are very good but I have the feeling the D class amps, including Rowland, give what I would discribe a liquide sound instead of an airy one. I prefaire more air between the instruments. longer listening seems more tyering to me with the Ds

Concerning the BATs, I have never heard any. What I read is that they are indeed a very good choise for the Amatis, but in a big room I would need the VK-150SEs. Is this true? Those are too expensive for me.
The big room also gives me a little doubt about the souperiority of the CJ premier 12s over the ARC VT200?
I will see if I find a chance to listen to some BATs.
Go to your own people... "Pathi"

Read my review

http://www.dagogo.com/PathosClassicOneMkIII.html

Note, at the head of the review the price is not $5,500 each, but at the time per pair! This is very affordable, and very effective, as well as aesthetically pleasing in every respect.
Hallo Douglas,
thank you very much for the review. Those "Pathis" realy look nice and special and I believe thats what they sound like.I will try to find a place to listen to them in Paris, France (they are Italien).Here comes the BUT:
I don't think they work for the Amatis in a big room.
As you reported :
"Gianni made clear to me that the unit was not intended for driving 4-ohm speakers in bridged mode. The unit would handle 8 ohm speakers easily, but was not officially rated for 4 ohms. The concern was to not overwork the transformer. He warned me that pushing the amps too hard could result in damage."
Kusina informed us above here "While the Amatis have a nominal impedance of 4 ohms, they dip down to 2.6 ohms, so you want an amplifier that is stable down to 2 ohms and that has enough power to drive the Amatis."
Thank you any way.