My dilemma, some advice please.


In the mix of building up my new home theater. I want to use the new codecs from blu ray, of course.
What I am not sure about doing is this.
Buying a new receiver that will decode them for me, and get a denon 2500 (transport only) via hdmi.

Or buying a denon 3800 with analog out's and get a krell showcase 7.1 or HTS 7.1. Let the blu ray do the decoding. I know this will be killer for 2 channel also.

Thanks in advance.
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Showing 2 responses by ckorody

I found a very interesting article by Robert Harley in AVGuide.com He defines two different functions involved in decoding a lossless BluRay:

“unzipping” of the TrueHD bitstream to PCM, and the conversion of that PCM to analog. The former is best done in the player; the latter in the controller.“unzipping” of the TrueHD bitstream to PCM, and the conversion of that PCM to analog. The former is best done in the player; the latter in the controller.

Here is the detail:

"...The confusion arises from the term “decode.” Here’s how it works. The film soundtrack starts out as high-res PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) audio and is encoded into, for example, a Dolby TrueHD bitstream for storage on the Blu-ray disc. (I’ll use TrueHD as a stand-in for all the new audio formats.) You can think of this process as creating a Zip file on a PC.

The file must then be “unzipped” on playback; that is, the Dolby TrueHD bitstream must be decoded back into multichannel linear PCM audio for conversion to analog. This decoding can take place in the Blu-ray player or in the controller.

If the decoding to PCM takes place in the player, the controller receives high-res PCM over the HDMI interface. The controller then converts the PCM to analog for listening.

If the decoding of Dolby TrueHD to PCM takes place in the controller, the HDMI interface carries the TrueHD bitstream.

It really makes no difference sonically where the “decoding” takes place—in the player or in the controller. In fact, it may be advantageous to decode in the Blu-ray player rather than the controller because the format has the capability of mixing different audio sources on the fly during playback. An example of this is a director’s commentary posted on a movie studio’s website after the Blu-ray disc has been released; you can watch and listen to the movie from disc as well as hear the director’s commentary streamed from the web. [ED NOYE - this is the BD 2.0 standard only where content can be accessed from the Internet assuming of course that the studio created it.]

There are many other examples of Blu-ray’s interactivity—features that are lost if the TrueHD-to-PCM decoding doesn’t take place in the Blu-ray player.

Not all Blu-ray players can perform this “unzipping” of TrueHD bitstreams to PCM. It requires a fair amount of DSP horsepower, making it an expensive (for now) feature for disc-player manufacturers. I expect, however, that all next-generation players will have this capability.

For a full listing of Blu-ray player features (including whether the player can output decoded PCM), go to www.idoblu.co.uk/page2%20Blu-r... Scroll down the page to see the player features. You’re looking for blue boxes in the True-HD and DTS-MA columns.
Do confirm with Krell that their unit is HDMI 1.3 capable - anything else is already obsolete

This is the wrong place to ask if something makes a difference - there are people here who recommend misting a room for improved sound...

If you can afford to go all Krell you will be the envy of us all - but before you do maybe listen to the new pre with your B&Ks - lots of other things can also improve room sound including EQ and room treatment - or maybe a big honking sub LOL