Maximum Upgrade Potential


I have a 20+ year old Prima Luna Dialogue One, and am looking at other tube amps for some unknown time in the future.  I recently replaced my power tubes, and a thought occurred to me:  When do you get to the limits of an amplifiers ability to be improved, or maximum sound quality?  If I got the best available tubes, power conditioner, cables, etc., how much improvement would I expect relative to an amplifier a step or two up the quality chain?  Will the best and most expensive tubes improve all amps equally or benefit some more than others?  And at what point is one just putting lipstick on a pig?

Thanks,

John Cotner

New Ulm, MN    

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Showing 2 responses by ghdprentice

There is no question that people’s tastes change over time. They tend to work their way from the obvious parameters like bass and overall detail to imaging, then tonal balance, midrange bloom… etc. as they learn.

However, with well established high end companies… Audio Research, Pass, dCS, Conrad Johnson, MBL… etc. They are on a mission and incremental changes are not lateral at all… they are walking straight down a line towards their objective sound. This is not to say companies don’t falter a bit occasionally. ARC really tried to do what they did with solid state and they just could not do it and reverted back to all tubes. They have a well defined objective.

But successive releases of products, reduce the noise floor, improve the sound quality across the spectrum. Take ARC and Pass. One from the tube side and the other from solid state. Over the 90’s and 00’s they incrementally converged on reality… one from the warm but not as detailed side and one from the harsh solid state side. Converging on reality. 

Over the last twenty years, I spent a huge amount of time calibrating my listening skills, by attending hundreds of symphony concerts in the ideal 7th row center location, and acoustic jazz concerts… and listening to individual instruments. The same kind of things that top audio designers would do. I can hear them approaching and converging using different technology to do so.

 

So while the companies that have been around for a decade and are in lower tier high end may change this way and that. The companies that are serious long term players are moving in unison towards a very specific goal, with some individuality based on the technology they use, or which music type they want to sound the best.

 

You don’t. Because, even if you get the very best of today (I am an Audio Research fan). By the time you break it in and enjoy it for a few years, there will be a new model that is a step up.

 

Practically speaking. While if you love a certain companies sound. Then five years will get you incremental improvement with the next model… but ten years nets you a really big improvement. I find ten years… actually with any component is a really big difference worthy of investing in.

 

I owned Pass designed amps for nearly 40 years. And over thst time ten years was a huge difference. I recently heard a couple of them and the improvement in rhythm and pace over the last ten years has been remarkable.