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Manufacturers pushing their products and agenda in the forums.

In the deep, dark, past manufacturers participated in the Audiogon forums with a general sense of decorum and a sensitivity to other products that they did not manufacture themselves and which were, from a design standpoint, philosophically opposed to their views. 

What has happened? Manufacturers now post into the forums dogmatically espousing their myopic view of the hobby, shamelessly pimping their own products and view of the audio world and, even more disturbingly, running down opposing brands. 

IMHO, it may be time to throw the baby out with the bath water and ban manufacturers, distributors, retailers and importers. If they can’t get their act together they should take it on the road.
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cleeds
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viridian
Manufacturers now post into the forums dogmatically espousing their myopic view of the hobby, shamelessly pimping their own products and view of the audio world and, even more disturbingly, running down opposing brands.
You should alert the moderators to any post you find objectionable. From what I can see, it looks like manufacturers are observing the forum’s rules.
IMHO, it may be time to throw the baby out with the bath water and ban manufacturers, distributors, retailers and importers. If they can’t get their act together they should take it on the road.
So because you don’t care for the contributions of these contributors, you think they should be ejected from the group? I don’t think this forum should work that way.
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cleeds
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elizabeth
I am of the opinion that no one needs to be 'saved' from whatever.
I agree, but this is a common problem. Someone identifies a group that they decide needs "protection," and they then appoint themselves as the "protector" of the group that doesn't recognize or even necessarily want the "protection." Meanwhile, the self-proclaimed "protector" claims the moral high ground.
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whart
au contraire- I said it should be monetized and badged, rather than wholesale censorship.
I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. I was relying on this comment of yours:
I’m only one voice and expressed my view, which coincides with the OP.
Thanks for clarifying this.
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tonykay
What irks me are the unsolicited product reviews ... I’m suspicious. I’m sure I’m not the only one who sees through these fake reviews ...
If it’s so easy to identify these posts that you find objectionable, why not simply just ignore them? That seems a more practical solution than banning all "manufacturers, distributors, retailers and importers," which is what the OP and apparently @whart seek.
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cleeds
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viridian
... you are mis characterizing my original post when you say, “ That seems a more practical solution than banning all "manufacturers, distributors, retailers and importers," which is what the OP and apparently @whart seek.”

That is not what I said, I said that it may be time to ban them ...
I quoted you accurately, and said it is apparently what you seek. Now you say that isn’t what you said. So what exactly are you proposing?
You also stated:
If they can’t get their act together they should take it on the road.
So what is it that you seek? That they should be allowed to post here, but that their content should comply with your preferences? If all you seek is a discussion, then what's your objection?
We know that you can use the “alert moderator” feature. You have used it on my posts many times.
That’s not true at all, and it’s quite ironic coming from someone who claims I’m "mischaracterizing" them!
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cleeds
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millercarbon
I don’t mind dealers or anyone else posting whatever they want.
Within reason, agreed! Post away!
What I mind is sanctimonious virtue-signaling word-salad, that when anyone calls them out on it they find it easier to complain and have the post removed than defend their weasel words. That sort of behavior is shameful, and petty, and beneath contempt.
If it’s "beneath contempt," then why the contempt? This just sounds unnecessarily dramatic. After all, A-gon is just an audio forum. It’s supposed to be fun to be here, no?
But it still shouldn’t be censored ... It should be pitied, and pilloried, open to the ridicule it so richly deserves.
Pilloried? Open to ridicule? I don’t think that’s consistent with this forum’s Terms of Use. Please note that one of the reasons for moderators to reject a post is, "Abusive towards another member."

Showing a little courtesy towards others would really help this group - especially towards those with whom we disagree.
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cleeds
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mikexxyz

I do have a little heart burn from those masquerading as hobbyist but clearly have a financial position or association.

Simple fix. Identify those with commercial affiliation.

How could A-gon possibly enforce this? How would moderators identify those with commercial affiliations?
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