Made Major Upgrade at $0 Cost in 1 Minute


I’m working my way up in digital audio. A few posts here have helped me along. I have a challenging listening room with much glass and a concrete floor. I’ve worked on adding area rugs, pillows, speaker placement, etc. - but am not willing to make major changes such as drapes or full carpeting. There’s no place for panels, as all of the wall space is glass.

My room is big - 20ft by 40 ft - so I’m listening in a near field setup. I tend to listen at lower volumes, partly to keep my wife happy. My favorite music is jazz vocals.

I haven’t visited any audio stores or shows - I live in a smaller city - so I really don’t know what high end audio sounds like. I’m missing my hearing in high frequencies - sometime I can hear the hammer “clunk” hit a high piano note without hearing the note. Oh well, maybe for me a brighter sound is better.

I bought some Moondrop Blessing 2 IEM’s and heard some wonderful audio quality on Tidal. On my main system, there were some occasional percussion sounds that sounded lifelike - as if they were made right next to me. But overall my sound tended to be a bit muddied, and especially vocals - my favorite music - did not stand out. This seemed odd to me because reviews of my B&O “pencil” speakers said that they excel in vocals.

I’ve also worked on upgrades like a new DAC, LPS for my Node, new router and a fiber optic link. I just bought a UMIK 1 and plan to experiment with REW this winter.

‘Reading led me to the idea that maybe I had too much sub bass. I have 2 sealed subs - 15in and 12in. The volume on both were set at the 12:00 position. Putting my ear next to them led me to believe that the volume matched the rest of my system. As an experiment, I turned the big sub down to about the 10:30 position. The result was a Major, Unquestionable improvement overall in my sound quality. Vocals came out front, even at lower volumes. Muddiness disappeared. There was much more nuance and detail in individual notes. The music was much more interesting, engaging, and less tiring to listen to. I could hear new instruments in the background that I never heard before. I want to listen more often and longer. The improvement was much greater than any of the individual changes I mention above. Funny…it cost $0 and took less than 1 minute.

Thanks to everyone on this forum who has given me comments and advice. I’m working my way along. I don’t know if this recent upgrade will in the long run become “normal” for me, and I will eventually become less than happy with my sound quality. But for now, IT’S GREAT!!

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Thx for the comments! Everything is helpful.  Comments from this forum have gotten me to the place where I am now.

 I’ll keep working at it, as my next step is to experiment with REW.  Then maybe I’ll try some kind of bass management or DSP.  But I’ve noticed mixed conclusions from others, as some like it and others have tried it and gone back without it.

Given my room, I don’t know what is possible.  I have done extensive ‘sub crawling’ and speaker placement.  It’s hard for me to be confident that, ‘yes, that sounds better.’  I was pleasantly surprised that turning down the subs was a definite improvement.

in the meantime, I am enjoying the music!  I will keep working to make it better.  I’ve discovered some great new artists.

@mclinnguy Once my wife and I were listening to some music with piano in it. She is a professional musician. In one passage I heard some “taps” that were lower frequency. I asked her what instrument that was and she said those were piano high notes. This happens once in a while. It sounds similar to ringing a bell with your hand over it.

I don’t have a problem hearing bass notes.

@mclinnguy Oh, I’m afraid of what I might find out!

Just kidding…I don’t have Roon, but I’ll find a way to give it a try.

@jl1ny Good comments.  My 15in and 12in sealed subs are turned down now so I don’t notice them.  When I put my ear near them, I hear some output.  For music with lows like an organ I hear the sub bass. My speakers and subs are all powered, so I don’t have a separate amp. I never thought about some amps being better for low volume performance. Can subs pressurize a room at lower volumes?

I only have the Node N130 as an input, so I don’t have a preamp.  I have read that some say a preamp makes a big difference in supplying a better signal to the amps.

Right now, I don’t have a good way to listen on earphones.  I’m also thinking about room EQ.  So an RME Adi-2 DAC is in my sights as it has both EQ and a headphone amp.  The RME also has a setting for low volume listening which I may like.

@jl1ny Thanks again for your thoughts!  I don’t have remotes for the subs, but I could rig an extension cord to turn them on and off to make a more precise assessment of how to set the volume level.  I know it’s hard to describe in words what SQ should be like, but I think you’ve chosen words that help me “get it.”

I did the sub crawl when I placed them.  But having two of them made that a bit more difficult.  
Did you use the laser to aim the speakers towards you listening position?