Looking for advise regarding Rogue M180’s


  Last week a friend gifted me a pair of Rogue M180’s. They were sold as 180’s and I received them from the original owner. Im guessing them to be 10-12 years old. They were used when first purchased for about 5 years sparingly. Since then they have resided on a flat dolly in a spare bedroom. The amps still have the original Phillips ECG 5751 and 5814A’s installed. The original EH KT 90’s are loose in a box with an octet of low hour Gold Lion KT-77’s . Years back when in use the owner contacted Rogue and stated they were too powerful for his room size and speaker selection. Rogue responded by recommending the GL KT77’s and suggesting that he could also lower the bias from 40ma to 30ma. I was provided the supporting emails dated September 2019. Here is my situation followed by my questions. I currently have a low power single ended system with Zu speakers. Second,  the owner stated one might have a hum, but was not sure. He’s on his second complete system since and has a room full of gear he’s lost interest in and his memory is vague. Also back then he had power issues with his provider and stated they installed a new transformer on the street. So my questions are first, checking for any hum. My intent is to take a single amp and connect one JBL 4312 to it. Install the KT77’s, plug it in and listen for a hum and bias the tubes. Do I need the input open or shorted ? Or something else ? Second, the 12AX7’s being replaced by the 5751. I see there’s a mu of 70 Vs 100 with the 12AX7. Does that effect the overall output power of the amp or just change tone and distortion? FWIT I have 6-7 pairs of NOS Telefunken 12AU7’s but zero 12AX7’s. My intent is to check for hum without causing any damage. If a hum exists, I’ll ship to Rogue. In the short term if I’m successful, I’ll test drive with my existing Rogue RP-1, the JBL 4312A’s that are mint and the 26” Sound Anchor stands I have with them. And I’d like to get some Telefunkens to put in the 12AX7 positions. After that, there’s a pristine Rogue Hera that’s been inspected and re tubed  by Rogue that I’ll ask to purchase before I start looking for speakers worthy of the pairing. Also I emailed Rogue for support a week ago and have not received a response. Thanks in advance for any feedback and my apologies for grammatical spaghetti, but I’m limited to an IPhone. Cheers , Mike B. 

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Because of the friendship / gift connection to the M-180 my opinion is send both in and get Dark upgrade. I would budget for HRS ( or equivalent ) Nimbus couplers under the amps upon return. Of course there are fans of microphonic tubes ( snark )

I have significant seat time w Rogue amps North of the M-180 in combination with various Vandersteen speakers - notably Quattro, 5A ( not the Carbon ) and 7. As @mulveling stated, the M-180 seems to be the imo undeserved cap with audiophiles… it shouldn’t be… again my opinion.

I am hesitant to recommend any speaker without knowing room dimensions AND your peak SPL required…..

I see we cross posted…. definitely call Rogue… it’s been over a decade since i spent enjoyable time w the M amps…. they didn’t exhibit any of that…. is the hum mechanical transformer resonance or thru speakers or both ?

Hi Mike - I understand wanting to return the amps to Rogue if they have issues.

There are 3 systems in tge virtual section, i’m guessing you looked at my vintage gear.. The fish is a Lake Erie Steelhead my Dad caught on very light Walleye gear - quite memorable… It sounds like we chase the same fish. i mostly fish the wild west coast of Vancouver Island. Thank the son in law for his service. in a prior life i helped build T-45 and iron out a few other aerospace widgets. it sounds like you stay busy - chase the music also !,,, I’m in Carlsbad Winters if you get this way…

Jim

Great gift ! hopefully they are fine, if not i know of a great tech in Orange county, just finished hotrod of RM-9 and a big SS Accuphase for friends.

One other word ; Mullard