Listening skills: How do you learn to listen?


Double-entendre. 


Had a few experiences lately that together were a stark reminder of something known for a long time, because I lived it myself.  

In the beginning, or at any rate going back to about 1991, I was unable to hear any difference between different CD players and DACs. Even some amplifiers, they might not sound exactly the same but I was hard pressed to say why.  

This went on for a long time. Months. Many months. Like okay a year. Whatever. During which time I was driving around hitting all the Seattle/Portland area stores listening to everything I could find. About the only difference big enough to be sure of was receivers. They for sure are crap. But even there it was hard to say exactly in what way. Just the difference there was glaring enough it was obvious this is not the way to go. But that was about it.    

All during this time of course I was reading Stereophile and studying all the reviews and building up a vocabulary of audiophile terms. The problem, seen clearly as usual only in the rear view mirror, was not really being able to match up the terminology with what I was hearing. I had words, and sounds, but without meaning, having no real link or connection between them.  

One day after yet another frustrating trip to Definitive I came home and put on my XLO Test CD and was listening to the Michael Ruff track Poor Boy when it hit me, THIS IS THAT SOUND!!!  

What sound? Good question! The better high end gear is more full and round and liquid and less etched or grainy. Poor Boy is Sheffield, all tube, and so even though being played from CD through my grainy etched mid-fi the tubey magic came through enough to trigger the elusive connection. THIS is "that sound"!  

Once triggered, this realization grew and spread real fast. In no time at all it became easy to hear differences between all kinds of things. "No time at all" was probably months, but seemed like no time at all compared to how long I was going nowhere.  

What happened? There are a near infinite number of different sonic characteristics. Attack and decay, fundamental tone, harmonic, and timbre, those were a few of the early ones I was able to get a handle on- but the list goes on and on.  

Just to go by experience, reading reviews, and talking to other audiophiles it would seem most of us spend an awful lot of time concentrating real hard on our own little list of these terms. We have our personal audiophile checklist and dutifully run down the list. The list has its uses but no matter how extensive the list becomes it always remains a tiny little blip on the infinite list of all there is.  

So what brought this to mind is recently a couple guys, several in fact, heard some of the coolest most impressive stuff I know and said....meh. Not hearing it.  

This is not a case of they prefer something else. This is not hearing any difference whatsoever. At all. None. Nada. Zip.

Like me, back in the day, with CD.  

These are not noobs either. We're talking serious, seasoned, experienced audiophiles here.

I'm not even sure it comes down to what they are listening for. Like me in '91, hard to know what you're listening for until you know what you're listening for.  

Which comes first?
128x128millercarbon

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Your name is on the letter. Mapman’s name is on the letter.
Let's just copy that, shall we...
Bear in mind this is a last resort. Need I remind you of the letters these people have mailed trying to threaten and harass me even to the point of filing fraudulent charges against my x-ray license? They all know about this, and yet not a one of them has spoken out against it. So that shows just how aberrant they are.
That's a better one.
Millercarbon,

Do you honestly believe that I, and the others named on whatever letter you’ve received from some nut case had anything at all to do with it??!!
Just because said nut case decided to use our user names, you truly believe that we all somehow got together and conspired to threaten you?? You truly believe that enough to print our user names on this thread as if we did??! Good God man, think a little.
Get a grip. I had zero, and I mean ZERO to do with whatever it is you received. Yeah, we’ve all nothing better to do with our time than to forge a secret cabal against you. You are that ingrained in our lives. Ridiculous.
This is what I posted after miller brought up this letter previously. Not only did he bring it up, he posted our user names. Apparently he is still somehow under the impression we had anything to do with some letter, I or apparently anyone else named, knows nothing about. I am getting tired of his libelous delusions, and if he mentions it again, I will indeed take it up with Tammy to have him suspended at the very least. I believe Admin would look most unfavorably at libel on their forum. What a pitiable notion of self importance he must have to still think we all somehow got together and sent him whatever it is he got. I will make myself quite clear; you are of zero relevance to me, other than an occasional amusing distraction.
I don’t believe any of our real names were involved.
And yes, I agree, I couldn’t care less that some idiot signed a letter ’thecarpathian’ among other usernames.
Who indeed, in his right mind is going to take seriously a letter signed by these silly made up names? Well, we know who is.
The guy who continues to bring it up as if the actual people behind these silly names somehow decided to get together and threaten him. The guy who printed our usernames more than once on this forum attaching blame to us for whatever those letters contained even though the notion is ridiculous. The guy who still clings to that asinine belief even though he was told repeatedly by us the notion is ridiculous. That, is libel, and that is what I care about. Certainly not enough to lose any sleep over.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, it’s time for my Yankee Doodles and a glass of milk....

Let us keep in mind that MC stating he has a letter signed with our user names is in no way libel if he truly has it in his possession.
What is libel is this:

"Bear in mind this is a last resort. Need I remind you of the letters these people have mailed trying to threaten and harass me even to the point of filing fraudulent charges against my x-ray license? They all know about this, and yet not a one of them has spoken out against it. So that shows just how aberrant they are."
This, I will not stand for. I don't care if this a a simple audio forum or the World News. It will be addressed with the moderators whether he deletes his post, this thread, or not.
IT is being taken care of. Time to move on.
Excellent!
Baker, a round of Yankee Doodles, on me!
Allow me to remind all of you late comers who are lamenting what has happened to this thread;
None of this would have taken place had the OP not gone off topic to spread his libelous agenda.
So, blame him and not those who are defending themselves against it.
Also, note that he is now conspicuously absent from his own thread immediately following his statement. He was called out to explain himself for once again making such an accusation, and what do we hear?
Crickets. So, think about that before you pass judgement on any of us.