Listening skills: How do you learn to listen?


Double-entendre. 


Had a few experiences lately that together were a stark reminder of something known for a long time, because I lived it myself.  

In the beginning, or at any rate going back to about 1991, I was unable to hear any difference between different CD players and DACs. Even some amplifiers, they might not sound exactly the same but I was hard pressed to say why.  

This went on for a long time. Months. Many months. Like okay a year. Whatever. During which time I was driving around hitting all the Seattle/Portland area stores listening to everything I could find. About the only difference big enough to be sure of was receivers. They for sure are crap. But even there it was hard to say exactly in what way. Just the difference there was glaring enough it was obvious this is not the way to go. But that was about it.    

All during this time of course I was reading Stereophile and studying all the reviews and building up a vocabulary of audiophile terms. The problem, seen clearly as usual only in the rear view mirror, was not really being able to match up the terminology with what I was hearing. I had words, and sounds, but without meaning, having no real link or connection between them.  

One day after yet another frustrating trip to Definitive I came home and put on my XLO Test CD and was listening to the Michael Ruff track Poor Boy when it hit me, THIS IS THAT SOUND!!!  

What sound? Good question! The better high end gear is more full and round and liquid and less etched or grainy. Poor Boy is Sheffield, all tube, and so even though being played from CD through my grainy etched mid-fi the tubey magic came through enough to trigger the elusive connection. THIS is "that sound"!  

Once triggered, this realization grew and spread real fast. In no time at all it became easy to hear differences between all kinds of things. "No time at all" was probably months, but seemed like no time at all compared to how long I was going nowhere.  

What happened? There are a near infinite number of different sonic characteristics. Attack and decay, fundamental tone, harmonic, and timbre, those were a few of the early ones I was able to get a handle on- but the list goes on and on.  

Just to go by experience, reading reviews, and talking to other audiophiles it would seem most of us spend an awful lot of time concentrating real hard on our own little list of these terms. We have our personal audiophile checklist and dutifully run down the list. The list has its uses but no matter how extensive the list becomes it always remains a tiny little blip on the infinite list of all there is.  

So what brought this to mind is recently a couple guys, several in fact, heard some of the coolest most impressive stuff I know and said....meh. Not hearing it.  

This is not a case of they prefer something else. This is not hearing any difference whatsoever. At all. None. Nada. Zip.

Like me, back in the day, with CD.  

These are not noobs either. We're talking serious, seasoned, experienced audiophiles here.

I'm not even sure it comes down to what they are listening for. Like me in '91, hard to know what you're listening for until you know what you're listening for.  

Which comes first?
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For those struggling Jim Smith is likely the gold standard to engage with for getting better sound. Book, consultation, whatever. That guy is the real deal. I’ve sat in one of his showrooms and heard for myself. It was a real eye opener. I’ve seen him make an appearance here in this very forum even every once in a blue moon. .
I can’t speak for the others but an apology would be an appropriate gesture. We will see. For now it’s where it belongs which is in the hands of the mods. I’ve already apologized to Tammy for her having to waste her time dealing with this nonsense.
Yes that would be great. See nonoise post above.

Politics? Please elaborate what that has to do with it. The issue was forgery and slander. It has been documented and addressed by the moderators as it should be. Nothing political about it. 
IT is being taken care of. Time to move on.  People really should verify their facts before opening their mouths sometimes on internet forums.
MC still waiting for your response. You made the accusation and it has been responded to. What say you?
Last time I was able to find a button and chat live with Tammy. Not finding that today?
I wondered about that as well which is another reason to want to see this letter if it in fact exists.  
Well since it has gone public lets just get to the bottom of it.   That is the only way.  
Be nice! Someone supposedly committed forgery if there is a letter as described. We don’t know who for sure yet. But MC was supposedly warned about this prior so ....
Map, while getting to the bottom of it, understand that you are in turn scraping the bottom.


Nope. THis needs to be resolved.  That should benefit Millercarbon as well since he is the one who says he got a letter.
So just to summarize everyone can take it to the bank that  if there is a letter as MC claims, and somehow it has my name or agon moniker on it, that is a forgery.   So we will see.
I’d rather it stay as evidence.....

I was informed by a member MC claimed my "name" was on some letter as he describes.  Tammy and I had a nice discussion about it and she assured me it would be  addressed but apparently not. Let me be PERFECTLY CLEAR.  I did not sign or endorse any letters to anyone here including Millercarbon.You can take that to the bank MC.     If there is such a letter someone committed forgery.   So that is serious stuff !   
I will isochronism  How about you?   I k now of no letter so MC is slandering my name.   Enjoy laughing boy.
Millercarbon I am aware that you claim my “name” is on some letter that I know nothing about. You can take that to the bank. The mods supposedly addressed this with you but apparently not.  I will take it up with Tammy once again. 
It’s a free and open forum. People can say what they want. Enough of the censorship mentality and cancel culture. If someone has continuous issues with what people say maybe look in the mirror. Chances are you are part of the problem. You can only control yourself not others. Everyone should work hard to get along and make things better.