Listening Room

@jgjg123  is a disturbingly familiar sounding screen name.  Could it be?  Nooo . . . tell me it isn't. . .

Anyway, on the outside chance that this is a serious question, I'd say +1 to @erik_squires  for recommending a pair of forgiving speakers.  

@jgjg123 , JerryG123, is that really you????

Hello to all,

I think this is a situation many audiophiles find themselves in: That being your listening room is NOT a dedicated room that your expensive audio system resides in. You do NOT have a chair that is perfectly positioned in between speakers to optimize your listening enjoyment. Why? The room simply cannot accommodate a chair in the center or, most likely, your wife and/or significant other will not allow you to place a chair where it’s supposed to be when listening.

Having said that, you listen to music from everywhere in the room. How does one go about speaker placement? How do you increase the sound stage? Are some speaker brands better than others when you do not have a dedicated listening room? Thanks for your input.

This dude always aimed at character it seems ...

Sorry you found the question I asked the OP (of this thread) to be offensive, Saint @mahgister  ,  I am genuinely curious as to whether the OP is @jerryg123  .  Quite a similar screen name he picked out.  No biggy to me one way or the other--just curious.

Since you brought it up and referenced it, I noticed that on the other thread (meaning the one you just now referenced) a lot of your truly bat-crap crazy posts have been deleted.  What happened?  Did you go back and look at them and decide that they really did make you seem unstable?  Just asking for a friend who wants to know.  

I pointed to your repeated insinuation here (2 times) about the OP identity instead of genuine interest in the thread matter

Again, Saint @mahgister  , when I saw the similar screen name I was genuinely curious, so I asked, and since I thought OP may have overlooked my question, I simply asked twice.  Sorry that this offended you, but to OP's original question, I did say that I agree with @erik_squires  , that probably the best one could do in the circumstance described was to use forgiving speakers.  Since I have never had a room that was well acoustically treated (meaning my living room in the past and a smaller room in the present), but I have had some sound that satisfied me, I had always felt that my speakers (B&W 805 Matrixes) must be relatively forgiving.

 

The posts were deleted because they were only deconstruction of your lies, accusations, character attacks against me or asvjerry and no more useful

Okay, so you did delete them because in a rare moment of clarity you did realize that they were batcrap crazy.  Good for you.

Now as you harassed me for a year i will observe also your future behaviour 

Hopefully I can serve as a positive role model for you; you certainly need one.

Thanks indeed. Your behaviour here seems to almost return back to respect of others...

@mahgister  , did I ever begin a post by referring to someone as a "coward liar" or an "idiot" or accuse them of "hatred"?  I can only think of one such thread where I may or may not have used insults that were similar (but not the same), and it was quite some time ago; and at the time I was responding to a pot calling what was not a kettle black.

With that aside, since you appear to be curious as to why I am (or was) interested in whether the OP of this thread is the persona once known as JerryG123, it is because as I remember him in that form, he was an accomplished audiophile.  Meaning that if they are one and the same, this thread is a put on (for I do not know what reason), but I wasn't going to waste my time (which I am doing anyway) relating my experiences trying to extract satisfying sound in an imperfect environment. 

And it is possible that I am mistaken and that the similarity between jgjg123 and JerryG123 is simply a coincidence.  But as Brad Pitt told Michael Fassbender , in the movie The Counselor, about the cartel people (and this may be somewhat of a paraphrase) , "They have heard of coincidences, but they don't believe in them."  And I am inclined to feel the same way about this one, but I was simply checking and double checking to be sure. 

Sorry, but I am not buying it.

Sorry . . . still not buying it.

No more " jgjg123"?

Some people got what they got, and will never own a home with dedicated room. Especially now in this abysmal economy with sky high prices and 7 & 8 % interest rates.

We bought our house in '91 (the Bush recession) and the rate was 8% and everyone tld me we did good.

In fact, there are very few people buying much of anything right now, judging from ebay sales of late. People have very little expendable income.

You must not be living in the same world I am, @audioguy85  .

@audioguy85

People just want your stuff for practically nothing nowadays.

I don’t have any experience as a seller, but I am thinking that must be nothing new.

Even tried selling things here. Had luck selling here years ago. The economy sucks.

From the posts I see here on this site on a regular basis, people are buying some pretty nice stuff frequently.

Wish I was in your utopia.

I don’t know about a utopia, but rates have been higher than they are now. All of my vehicles are over twenty years old, but that’s by choice, and every time I go to the grocery store (or just about everywhere) all I see are new cars on the road and in parking lots. I don’t have a dime in the stock market, but obviously there are a lot of people who do as the DJ is apparently touching 40k and the S&P is kicking tail. 401ks should be rocking and rolling. A house across the street from me sold a couple of years ago, and the buyer had a ton of work done (including an addition and a truly industrial size garage) and it’s not my business so I didn’t ask, but I can only assume that the ton of work cost a ton of money. My neighbor directly next door to me died in ’21 and in ’22 her son sold her house (and I do know what it went for, and I was surprised it went that high) and the buyer basically gutted it out and remodeled. He did a lot of the work himself, but still he had to buy materials and he did have an electrician over for many days. Personally, I thought the house was fine the way it was, and I wouldn’t have spent my money that way, but each to his or her own.

But I wouldn’t call any of the above "utopia," it just is what it is.

And on an edit: across the street next to the house that just got the garage and addition are an older retired gentleman and his daughter who is a teacher. I got to know them as they needed help with their dog starting last fall, and they both lease (I think) Nissans, and both of them had their lease run out at the same time early last spring and now they are both leasing brand new ones. (I am going over at 7pm to give them a quick hand with the dog, and I’ll double check what kind of his and her cars that they are.)

Back in ’05 I got laid off from being an airline mechanic, and I misread the future so I retrained as a RN, but I keep in touch with a buddy of mine, and recently they have a great contract going. If I would have seen that contract ever coming, I’d still be there.

. . . too late to get another edit in, but they are both Nissan Sentras. And I assume 2024s.

they both lease (I think) Nissans, and both of them had their lease run out at the same time early last spring and now they are both leasing brand new ones. (I am going over at 7pm to give them a quick hand with the dog, and I’ll double check what kind of his and her cars that they are.)

And thinking about it, once again adding on an edit, another across the street neighbor got into construction after he was laid off post 9/11 and he is always working. Which means to me that there must be a lot of builders who are building, and therefore I assume people must be buying. He rents, but that’s by choice best as I can tell, and he is driving a quite new F-250, so I can only assume that life, although it may not be a utopia, is going okay in his world.

Listen, a good stereo is a good stereo even if you listen in another room- and it’s really good when it sounds good in another room.

+1.

@unreceivedogma  , I used to have my system in the living room, and I could enjoy sound that I was quite happy with from a variety of locations.  No, it wasn't like being at the apex of the triangle, but still I got a lot of enjoyment.  I remember many pleasurable mornings/afternoons/evening sitting out on the backporch jamming on tunes.  Or while I was in the shower.  Maybe I had forgiving speakers (my old B&W 805s) or maybe I was just more forgiving.

Now I am in a small back bedroom that is mostly dedicated to books, guns and listening, and I think that although it is imperfect I get width beyond that walls (I listen in the dark with my eyes shut) and the speakers disappear and with a good source material instruments float in the air, and back in my "room" there are no distractions like in the old living room days, but I think I had more fun listening back in the old days.

I can see the virtue in both what @gents and ​​​​​@unreceivedogma are saying.

I am not nearly as critical or scientific as @unreceivedogma is, and my listening room, such as it is, is not nearly as scientific or critical as his is, but my listening was in the living room for many moons, then my system went into hibernation, and when it came out at the end of ’17, someone said or did something that irritated me, so I moved it into a small back bedroom because a) I thought I would be isolated while I was listening, and b) I thought it would be more intimate (meaning between me and the music) and I thought that might be a better sound. So I dropped some dedicated lines back there and over the last six years have tried to do little things here and there to improve the sonic effect. But no full blown room treatments. Like I said, I am not as scientific or critical as @unreceivedogma .

But when I am back there, there are no distractions and I am listening, not doing anything else. A room that small is an imperfect environment, and had I known the limitations, I might not have moved back there, no matter how pissed off I was at the time. I listen at very near field and it gets loud quick; I learned early on back there that in a room that small, earbleed levels get fatiguing fast. I have only played the Lou Reed Rock And Roll Animal one time back there, and that was when I first made the move.

But although it isn’t as scientific or critical as @unreceivedogma , I do think I understand what he is saying when he says he is up in his attic to listen. When I am in that bedroom I referenced, I am there only to listen and therefore I hear more.

But as to what @gents typed , when my system was in the living room and I was listening, frequently I would be barbecuing out on the backporch with an artist or band I really liked blasting away (but not distorting) and it was not just background or wallpaper. It was like having a musical group or an artist that I liked over to play for us in our living room and they would sound good. When I was outside undercooking red meat, of course I would not be analyzing the soundstage or the detail or the air, but the sound was full bodied and it would grab me by the ___ when a harmonica would blat out or a sax player would bite down and step out or a bluegrass band would start really getting down and having fun.  And after we had finished eating, then I could turn down the lights in the living room and sit down on the couch and turn the level down a tad and enjoy from a different perspective.

And as far as fun goes, I really did have more FUN when I was listening and not making listening work. Maybe I was not hearing as much in one sense of the term, but in another sense, maybe I was hearing more, and I was not nearly as uptight about it.

But I am not saying either is right or wrong. If it works for you it’s right, and by the same logic, it cannot be right if it doesn’t work for you.

As I type, my system is gradually being turned on, component by component, and after I hit ’post’ I am going to turn on the power caps for my amp, and then a bit later after I help the neighbors with their dog, I will turn power on to the amp’s tubes, and after I eat I’ll start listening back there in that little unfriendly bedroom to some music a(I just put some new speakers in their I am trying out) and I am sure that I will enjoy it.

A five or 10 Watt tube rig, a couple of small spectacular monitors

@gents  , if I could start over, especially given the room that my system now resides in (and perhaps if it was still in the living room) that is what I would want to try at this point in my life as well.  I'd like to hear one of Dennis Had's products with some very efficient speakers.  I was shopping for speakers a bit ago, and I finally decided against a pair of Klipsh and wient with a pair of Revels instead, so I am pretty uch still locked into an amp that puts out a bit of power.