KLaudio or Degritter Mark II


Just curious to know if anyone out there has used both the KLaudio ultrasonic record cleaning machine and the Degritter Mark II (or the original Degritter) and which you thought achieved the best or better results.

I've got a lash-up ultrasonic cleaning system that I've put together which costs significantly less than the original Degritter. The end result I get with my lash-up system is, at least, as effective as the original Degritter but significantly more labor intensive. The Degritter is much more eloquent in this regard, which is its allure. I know the KLaudio is twice the price, but I'm much more interested in optimum results.

Thanks!

oldaudiophile

@antinn thanks for your responses.

Reading the P60H operation manual was helpful.  However, not having actually operated it is quite another.  I learn much better by doing.

What I was responding to is that attempting to pause the machine every 30 seconds to switch the pump on & off during this initial auto frequency change mode would be futile and maybe even damaging to the machine.  The other issue that I was (and still am) not clear on is whether or not this 20-minute cycle (i.e.  10 minutes of auto frequency change mode followed by 10 minutes of 80kHz only) can be programmed into the machine to run as a single cycle.  Pausing the machine after this initial 10-minute auto frequency change mode in order to switch on the pump/filter for the 10-minute 80kHz cycle seems more feasible.  However, it seems, to me, that it would be more practical to run these two operational cycles separately, rather than pausing the machine and activating the pump/filter at the 10-minute mark.  This would obviate the need to standby and be alert to this while I'm doing other things (e.g.  pre-cleaning additional records; etc.).

Thanks for the tip on the iSonic pump/filter!  I wish I had known about that before purchasing the CleanerVinyl pump/filter.  That would have saved me a good bit of coin.

Thanks, also, for the tip(s) on the record spinners!  I've lately been taking a closer look at the Kuzma RD kit that Tima uses.  However, I've only found two places in the USA that sell this and the price seems rather steep, in my opinion.

Thanks again and all the Best!

I have a Degritter Mark II. The majority of my vinyl collection is between 50 and 70 years old, mostly classical with a good deal of older '70s jazz recordings and 60s and '70s rock and roll. The results that I've achieved have been nothing less than astounding on records that had already been processed extensively previously in a standard cleaning process. Records that are in good condition are playing. absolutely silently. This is far beyond anything that I might ever have imagined being able to achieve.

My experience with a Degritter comes from having had access to an original Degritter machine owned by a friend. The results were so good that I decided to buy my own, a Mark II. What I wanted to report here is that my friends use of the machine was truly extensive and the counter shows approaching 10,000 washing cycles. Because various people were responsible for maintaining the machine, it appears that no one had ever read the instructions to do a cleaning of the interior of the machine every 200 washings or so. After getting my machine and having read about the instructions to do it, I went back to my friend's to examine it only to discover that the interior was still remarkably clean despite the fact that it had never been attended to. Tank changes and filter cleanings and changes were done regularly according to schedule but I can report that an original Degritter is capable of cleaning effectively 10,000 records with no problems whatsoever despite the fact that it didn't even have basic cleaning maintenance done.

I've discussed this with other people that have these and our unanimous observation is that the ownership of this is far more impactful on ones vinyl appreciation experience than an upgrade in a phono stage. We use the example of what would be more impactful to have a $5,000 phono stage or a Degritter and were unanimous in our view. Anyone who wants to chime in here and poo poo a $5,000 phono stage as being beneath them can go elsewhere as far as I'm concerned. It's only meant as an example. The point is that this is an exceptional product and anyone who has a vinyl collection that involves LPs that have any noise at all should seriously consider it before any other type of upgrade to their vinyl listening process. It's a total game changer.

 

@skywachr Thanks for posting in on this one!  I have read other encouraging accounts of the useful life or life expectancy of the Degritter.  It's good to know or hear that it is a robust or quality manufactured machine.  I've also read that Degritter offers re-build services for what seems like a reasonable price, although I'm not clear on what exactly that all entails (e.g.  shipping to & from Estonia; etc.).  I'm still keeping my eye out on that machine and hoping for a sale and/or a price drop.

I've discussed this with other people that have these and our unanimous observation is that the ownership of this is far more impactful on ones vinyl appreciation experience than an upgrade in a phono stage.

@skywachr I have often described proper record cleaning as the biggest upgrade I have ever experienced. I have never had any reason to change my mind on that.