Just ordered a vpi avenger


Hello I ordered a vpi avenger from sound and vision in Ohio 60 miles from my home should they bring and set it up ? Or is that asking to much the table cost is $10.000.00 any input would be nice !
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I am from Columbus OH. I need to mince my words. I wish you lots of luck. The guy that knew how to set up VPI decks quit. At 10K that would mean you got the unipivot arm. My advice to you is to 1) ignore the VPI set up manual. It sucks. 2) Don't bother with AS. 3) The VPI alignment gauge is actually pretty good. Use it. 4) Start out with a cartridge that has a Shibita stylus. Microline and the like are just too hard to optimize with a unipivot. 5) Don't mess around with VPI's silly-as-hell "dual pivot". I learned the hard way. 6) The VPI break out box is such a stupid piece of crap-it degrades the sound and invites RFI. Buy the best shielded cables you can-I like AP Silver Apex. 7) Expect to spend days dialing things in. 8) Invest in an accurate digital VTF gauge-I recommend Riverstone and last, after a while if you are frustrated, reach out to a set-up expert. 
I am glad to hear you got the gimbaled fatboy. 
During the six years that I owned various VPI turntables, I figured that the VPI detractors on this Board were just internet trolls and gutter-snipes. 
Well, wisdom has resulted in a different view. VPI tables appeal to the eye in magazines and on websites but once you see it in person, you see an assemblage of clunk. They are crudely manufactured and crudely engineered. 
There are so many TT's at $10,000 that are better designed and put together. The Palmer 2.5i is one example (granted with a great arm it is 14K), the EAT Forte S is another superior deck, and the SME 15A (yes, 4K more) is yet another deck that would blow the Avenger away in terms of engineering sophistication and long-term pride of ownership and musical pleasure. 
I apologize for taking a pee on your parade. Do you think I am just making crap up? Ask a mechanical engineer to look at the designs. The VPI inverted platter bearing is not nearly as smooth and durable as the designs incorporated into the decks mentioned above. I bet you will notice it yourself. You get a huge slab of nicely machined aluminum that you slide onto a crudely designed steel post with a ball bearing worthy of a high school shop student. The motors are off the shelf and not particularly durable. And on top of that, the new line of gimbaled arms, while superior to the unipivots, are once again the result of a new launch to market-whereas the best tonearms are the result of many years of careful development and engineering expertise that VPI lacks. 
I minced my words about the retailer. I held true to that. 
Regarding VPI, I have said much the same in this forum previously. 
Mat is one hell of a nice guy. Harry is one hell of a businessman and an innovator of great intellect and I mean that sincerely. 
Harry's very public war with Phoenix Engineering's Bill Carlin, on the other hand, speaks volumes and alleviates any feelings of remorse/guilt I might otherwise have for being a turncoat on VPI. I spoke my true and honest opinions about VPI turntables. At the $1500 to $2500 price point they offered and continue to offer some great value for being substantially built compared to a similarly priced Pro-ject or Rega though I still feel that VPI's version of the unipivot limits the ultimate performance substantially. 
I have no doubt that the HW40 design competes with the very best in terms of motor drives but I would still not use even the gimballed "Fatboy" on it. But then there are all the products in the range between the basic Scout and the HW40 and that is where I think VPI is most unfortunate and where the consumers have been duped. 
If you go the VPI website, you will see that the "Reference Turntables" category of products is no longer active. This blurb speaks volumes about how VPI operates-things being forgotten and found and "kerplunked" into a new limited production product https://houstonaudiostore.com/shop/turntables-record-players/turntables-record-players-turntables/vp...
As a managing partner of a law firm, I like to say that I just have opinions, I don't claim to be right. Thousands and thousands of audio enthusiasts have not just bought but enjoyed their VPI decks at all price points. Any given VPI deck can be made to sound great. They are definitely not junk. In many ways they offer high value. As stated before, it is a matter of preference. Here in the great midwest it has become extremely fashionable as a matter of superficial popular culture to drive a jacked up and modded Jeep Wrangler. They are clunky and full of small aggravating design flaws but they are durable and get the job done. People seem to dig them. Not my cup of tea and it irritates me that the tires protrude far outside the wheel wells and kick up rocks, but what can you do?