Joni Mitchell remasters on the way


FYI, some remastered Joni albums from an amazing period are on the way. I’m especially excited about how "Miles of Aisles" turns out, because that album really needs a remaster.

"Rhino explores the beginning of the prolific Asylum era with THE ASYLUM ALBUMS (1972-1975), the next installment in the Joni Mitchell Archives series. The collection features newly remastered versions of For The Roses (1972), Court And Spark (1974), the double live album Miles Of Aisles (1974), and The Hissing Of Summer Lawns (1975). All four were recently remastered by Bernie Grundman."

 

https://jonimitchell.com/music/album.cfm?id=45

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Oh great, more remastered loudness. Sorry, all of those releases were originally mastered and mixed perfectly to begin with. Remastering is not even necessary in this case. Court and Spark on Asylum (1001-2) was the first CD I ever heard, and IMO, the original CD still sounds amazing to this day. 

@hilde45 >>>"Remastered loudness." How you know that in advance is beyond me.<<<

How do I know that? From past experience. Remastered usually now means balls to the wall compression and limiting, with added EQ, which equals louder volume levels compared to the original mix (say goodbye to dynamic range). Really, does everything now need to be remastered? I personally don't see the need. I actually go out of my way to NOT purchase or listen to remastered albums anymore. What's the matter with the originals? Were those engineers not fully capable of mixing, editing and mastering in those days? Well I guess Bernie Grundman himself wasn't too happy with his first time around when mastering some of those Joni Mitchell releases, so he's going to give it another shot (or is this all about money, and generating new revenue for the labels).

@hilde45 Even though I have all of the original vinyl pressings of the Joni Mitchell releases we're discussing, I rarely ever play them, I won't even reference those, as I personally believe vinyl reproduction has its disadvantages compared to digital (even though digital of course has its disadvantages too). Let me pull a quote from another well known mixing and mastering engineer - Kevin Gray. "I think a lot of what people like about a phonograph record are artifacts. Audiophiles don't want to hear that, but it's just a fact. I deal with digital and analog all day long, and I know what happens in the transfer to analog."

For our discussion, I'm only referencing the original Asylum CDs. Of course audio is very subjective, and depends on the equipment it is being recorded on, played on and the ears and brain that is hearing it. Let's take for example the Miles of Aisles release. I just pulled it out, and played a good portion of it to refresh my memory. I can easily see why you would think this original release sounds muddy. Not everything has to be bright (bright - a term we use in the broadcasting industry to reference lots of high frequencies). Now from my perspective, I respect the mix and mastering of this original CD release. Lots of dynamic range, and yes, at times, high frequencies may seem subdued, but that was the norm at the time, and I can respect that, and enjoy it. I still respect the engineers (and probably artist) who wanted it that way in the first place. Others may not. I personally don't need a remaster...of anything. In respect to pumped up compressing and limiting, not only can I hear that on remasters, but I can easily visually see that with my metering. 

Kevin Gray - Stereophile interview

 

@jwillox I took time to read the PS Audio article you linked, but didn't bother with the comments section. Much of this I already understood. It's almost a matter of taste. Some of us have the equipment and quiet environments to listen to recordings with lots of dynamic range, and can appreciate it, and sometimes prefer it. Others don't. Some prefer loud remastered versions of recordings, while others don't. Some prefer loud concerts, while others don't. Some prefer very dynamic recordings (balls to the wall compression and limiting), while others don't. It's all a matter of taste and preferences. I would never personally say that because a recording has lots of dynamic range, it lacks sonics or impact. That may be one person's perception, but it's definitely not mine.  

This is one of the things I learned from being a Radio Broadcast Engineer; to overcome street noise (in vehicles where most of radio listening takes place), one must process radio broadcasting audio aggressively to maintain a consistent dynamic loud listening level (the exception is some jazz and classical radio stations). That's why I, when enjoying music at home, I prefer whatever the Mixing Engineer or Mastering Engineer has produced and recorded, without any added EQ, compression or limiting. Mixing and mastering audio is a craft and art, and I respect someone's artistic ability to use it, and be entertained by it. As I mentioned in another post; I tailor my home audio system(s) to try and replicate what the mixing and mastering engineers heard when they did their work. I'm not trying to replicate a live performance SPL setting at home. But hey, that's me, and I try not to put down what others are trying achieve.