Jazz for aficionados

Acman3:

Everything I said was in jest. Just messin' with you guys.

Cheers

I had a pair of Polk LSI 15's in my living room around 2006 for a 3 day tryout. i choose to get Joseph Audio speakers, but I was only using an AV receiver with the Polk's. I thought the LSI was better than my old Polk SDA's, but I wanted a more transparent sound and moved on. By the time I decided on the Josephs I had a much better Krell integrated, so it's hard to say exactly what you are hearing.

I think your love of the Bey Sisters has more to do with what you REALLY like, and what others in this case find OK. No big deal, just enjoy!

O-10:

***** I believe you've sold the Beys as well as they can sold in this room.*****

The Bey's music speaks for itself. Does not need selling. But, as you pointed out, I speak French and all of you speak Spanish, so agreement is futile. Listen to it again.

The very words used to state what the Sisters lack, are the exact words that could be used to describe their brilliance. Something is wrong.

Maybe those wussy high-end speakers you people listen to, can't capture the essence of the Sisters. Is an upgrade in order? May I recommend POLK? Pops had Polks. I think. :)

Speaking of French:

Sidney Bechet, was involved in a gunfight in Paris back in the 1920's, as a result of an argument over chord changes. Wounded two. This was in the middle of Paris in broad daylight! That's when Jazz was Jazz!!! :) Who has that kind of passion these days?

Cheers

Rok, as I stated before, "Frogman has a way with words". He certainly expressed my thoughts in regard to both Charlie Ventura and the Beys. I believe you've sold the Beys as well as they can sold in this room.

Acman, I never thought about it, but I do recall that music from looking at early cartoons; it's amazing how much jazz is on "cartoons", you can also find Chico Hamilton.

Frogman, this is the first time anyone has put the music I love into a "musical perspective"; that makes it fresh and new. Although I've been around a lot of musicians, they never talked music from a musicians perspective.

Enjoy the music.

Acman3:

*****I once played some Hot 5, for a friend who knew little about Armstrong, and after about 5 seconds he said ," Oh Cartoon music". I still laugh over that.*****

On disc three, the critic Gary Giddins relates a story where he played a record of Louis playing 'West End Blues' for a music professor friend of his. He listen to it, then asked Giddins to play it again, he did. Then the Music professor said "that is the most perfect three minutes of music I have ever heard". Notice, he said perfect MUSIC, not JAZZ. Interesting.

Cheers

No new revelation here since this has been said many times by many aficionados, but if one was forced to pick ONE musician that, more than anyone else, exemplifies what jazz is about it would have to be Satchmo. The number one aspect of jazz which defines it most and seperates it from any other music form is its rhythmic feel. Louis Armstrong played with a rhythmic feel that has never been equalled in its decisiveness and lack of ambiguity while at the same time having that great sense of looseness and swagger that defines jazz; and, on top of it all, always able to put a smile on your face. Its almost like a great magic trick; "it's impossible but he's doing it".

You can't go wrong with Louis. Like sex, there is no bad Louis Armstrong.

I once played some Hot 5, for a friend who knew little about Armstrong, and after about 5 seconds he said ," Oh Cartoon music". I still laugh over that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXHdqTVC3cA

O-10:

As you might guess from these youtubes, I have been watching the "JAZZ" documentary again. :) I think we all need to be reminded, every so often, of what Jazz is supposed to be.

These guys were greater than I ever imagined. Should be a requirement for all Jazz fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzcpUdBw7gs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Hbh_-IRs8

Cheers

For all you musicians out there!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpNXmdoy6_4

****I don't understand why everyone is going Gaga over Ventura, and no one had anything good to say about Andy Bey and the Sisters. A huge step up, in my, less advanced opinion.****

**** Frogman will have to answer your question in regard to Charlie compared to Andy Bey and the Sisters, he has a way with words.****

Well, that's a tough one. A way with words is no guarantee that the message will ring true to any given listener. As we have demonstrated many times here the easy and perhaps cynical answer is that "there is no accounting for taste", the better and more insightful answer is that the very things that make music so great are what makes one's reaction to it so personal.

A comparison between Charlie Ventura and The Bey Sisters is particularly difficult because they are obviously two entirely different types of artists: one is an instrumentalist, the other a vocal group. The music of this instrumentalist has a much stronger improvisatory element than that of this vocal group. So, one could stop right there for an explanation of why a particular listener might prefer one over the other. I don't think that is the case here since our discussions here have a generally fairly wide scope. For the most part and for me personally, as has been discussed previously, singers who scat are automatically held to a very high standard that is seldom met; that of instrumentalists.

Charlie Ventura was a very fine swing player during a time when bebop was taking shape. He was steeped in the swing tradition and came to bebop peripherally and, one could say, after the fact. His playing always had an obvious element of the swing tradition in it even when "bopping". Some of the giants of bebop may have started as swing players, and were certainly influenced by swing, but went in the direction of bebop much sooner in their careers and with more decisiveness. When one listens to Charlie Parker or even Phil Woods it is not obvious at all what their "swing" influences were; so strong is their bebop language and style. I too like Ventura's voice and think he was a very good player; I particularly like his ballad playing on tenor, in part because I love that style of tenor playing in general. I would not, however, say that I am "gaga" over his playing. He was a player that is worthy of adding to one's collection and also a player that is important to the understanding of the evolution of the music from a historical perspective. He was only a few years younger than players like Bird and Miles, but in the context of the incredibly vibrant and quickly evolving jazz scene at the time, it should not be surprising how those few years can have a large effect on the stylistic development of a player. This is not unlike how my sister who is only five years older than I speaks perfect English, but with a heavy accent while I have no accent; this in spite of immigrating to America at the same time. She had spent more years steeped in the native language than I; and, being older, more resistant to the new language in spite of the same level of desire to assimilate.

So, how does one compare two totally different kinds of artists as far as ultimate artistic value? Both Ventura and the Bey Sisters have merit, and I agree that, as O-10 says they "are a joyous sound". Personally, I would not make such a comparison and just as I am not "gaga" over Ventura, I don't understand why anyone would "go gaga" over the Beys; and certainly not a "huge step up" in artistic merit (in absolute terms) if the comparison must be made. I like their sound, but FOR ME that type of vocal ensemble singing requires a certain level of finesse in the areas of tightness, intonation and sophistication of the vocal arrangements that I just don't hear in their singing compared to groups like "Lambert, Hendricks and Ross" and certainly "The Manhattan Transfer". They are fun and clearly good entertainers, but in absolute terms, a little rough around the edges and rather simplistic as far as the arrangements. Perhaps that is precisely why their sound appeals so much to some.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sql9PvsuT10

O-10:

***** Jazz from a historical point of view, is irrelevant to me at this stage. My primary objective is to increase my collection, and that's become rather difficult.*****

I am just the opposite. I cannot seperate the music from the history surrounding it. I always marveled at the British Bands trying to sing the Blues. They didn't have a clue. It wasn't their culture. I guess some music travels, and some does not.

I think part of the reason I don't care for the latest Jazz, is because I don't relate to the players. And that applies to all genres. I also have an age bias. Musicians younger than I am, I have a problem accepting them. Gladys and Aretha can school me, but Beyonce is just mouthing words. :) Classical is excepted, because the players aren't doing the talking, the composer is.

I aim to increase my collection also, but by finding gems I missed. When I think that so many of my adult years were spent outside of the country, I missed a lot. The Bey Sisters being a prime example. Too bad they only made two albums. I think I will have an easier time finding gems than you will finding good new stuff. :(

BTW, I took your use of the word 'advanced' to mean the degree to which folks on this thread appreciated and understood Jazz. In that sense, I defer to you all. I am still a rookie.

Cheers

Rok, I appreciate your honesty; if ken Burns was a gift from my son, I would cherish it to death. Nica's book is not in the same category.

"Charlie Ventura": he answered many of our personal questions in regard to how advanced we are in "Modern Jazz". Frogman will have to answer your question in regard to Charlie compared to Andy Bey and the Sisters, he has a way with words.

While Delta Blues is not, nor ever has been "my Thing", I'll give "Son House" a listen.

Music is a cultural, social, and economic expression; that is most apparent when you examine the music on this forum. I'm the city, primarily St. Louis and Chicago; a Chicago that no longer exists, but since I lived it, it still exists in my memory.

I just realized how much my last post was a personal expression, as opposed to one that speaks for others who're participating in this thread, because "advanced" was in reference to modern jazz exclusively. Jazz from a historical point of view, is irrelevant to me at this stage. My primary objective is to increase my collection, and that's become rather difficult.

Enjoy the music.

*****Listening, hearing, and sharing what you heard with us, all go together; from now on, say it with a musical post, and then I'll know what you're talking about*******

Good point. I don't listen to just Jazz. This is my latest listen. Don't listen to this one late at night when all alone. Another of the Delta Greats. Lyon Mississippi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdgrQoZHnNY

Cheers

O-10:

****Charlie Ventura is apparently new to all of us, and I like his "musical voice". Our chances are better for finding something else by him when we go on a combined search on you tube.*****

Following your orders, I did search him out and listened to a lot of his stuff. It was all Ok. Just didn't grab my attention. Besides all the stuff seemed to be taken directly from an LP. Lots of clicks and pops. The recordings did show the age in which they were recorded. Sounded muffled. Like the juke box playing in a 1940's film-noir, grade B movie. Reminded me of my old Dual 1229Q. Where is my Burwen? :)

I don't understand why everyone is going Gaga over Ventura, and no one had anything good to say about Andy Bey and the Sisters. A huge step up, in my, less advanced opinion.

Cheers

O-10:

*****Rok, my post was meant to inform, and criticize Ken Burns in regard to us. While programs like Ken Burns are excellent for many others, I feel we are far too advanced for those types of programs******

I disagree. I liked it for it's historical value. Just like Nica's book. Burns is often criticized, mostly by folks that feel their favorite players / tunes were omitted, or given short riff. You can, could've / should've anything to death. It was a brilliant series. Also a gift from my son.

I have a few of the CDs. Guys like Sidney Bechet, I felt the sound quality would be the best avaliable for the old stuff.

I do realize that all the other folks on this thread are far more 'advanced' than I am, concerning Jazz. However, they are not so advanced, as to be able to dismiss one of the premier film makers of this era.

Burns did a great service to Jazz and Jazz fans. The Jazz scene is not exactly running over with supportive media the quality of Burns' documentary.

He best work is probably THE CIVIL WAR. I listen to that soundtrack on CD often.

He is a relative of the Poet, Robert Burns. I served with an Officer named Burns in Germany, who was also a decendant of Robert Burns. The similarity was stunning.

Cheers

Rok, my post was meant to inform, and criticize Ken Burns in regard to us. While programs like Ken Burns are excellent for many others, I feel we are far too advanced for those types of programs; our discussions should be more into the "voices" of the different musicians. Miles for example had a trumpet "voice" that was different from any trumpet before him.

I also feel that when any of us find a musician we like, but are unfamiliar with, that we should all see what else that musician has to offer in order to increase our collection, and use "You tube" to do it; this is what they want you to do. The more exposure, the better the chances are for one of us to buy that artist's CD. I've bought a number of CD's based on your submission, acman3's post, or Frogman's recommendation on "You tube"; so it's a win win for "You tube" and the artist, that's what they are there for. Initially artists objected to their material on "you tube" without their permission, but after discovering that this increased exposure, increased their bottom line, they no longer objected; as a matter of fact, I've seen stuff that was removed come back on "you tube".

Charlie Ventura is apparently new to all of us, and I like his "musical voice". Our chances are better for finding something else by him when we go on a combined search on you tube. Since Frogman has yet to respond, he may know of something else by Charlie.

There is no better way to purchase new music than "like it or not", and our chances of finding new music we like have increased exponentially because we've been communicating on this thread for so long, that we should almost have a "mind meld".

Listening, hearing, and sharing what you heard with us, all go together; from now on, say it with a musical post, and then I'll know what you're talking about.

Enjoy the music.

O-10:

****Maybe that's why Miles was so horrible with words, they failed to communicate anything he was trying to say. ****

This is spot on. Ever hear Dizzy talking about his music? The guy sounded as if he was from another place. Which he was!

****Being an "aficionado" is about listening to the music***

This may be true, but once you hear the magic you just have to tell somebody!!! You can't just keep it to yourself. Hence all the traffic on this thread.

Cheers

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O-10:

I am not sure if your post was meant to inform or admonish. If the former, I agree with virtually all of what you said. If the latter, no one has ever accused me of anything even remotely intellectual in nature! :)

I agree that music and muscians can say things beyond words. THEY, can speak to us in that way, but, I am not sure WE can communicate with each other via youtube clips.

Youtube is a great way to be exposed to new music, I just have this thing about submitting clips of Jazz music that I don't own. Just me.

Of course Jazz, and all music is a reflection of the times in which it was written, Jazz seemed to have started off happy, joyful, sensual, and then got angry / political / message laden, and finally cerebral.

'Store Bought' is the term I use for the cerebral stuff. It's not, happy, angry, political, and it has no message. I guess it's whatever the listner wants it to be.

****We hear things musicians say that can never be put into words, and others don't hear.****

True! That's why I seldom try. I just like it, or not. I remember reading articles about Classical music when I first got started. Writers saying what each movement of LvB's 6th sym meant. The 6th was my first favorite. What they wrote was interesting and to my puny brain quite profound.

Then I listened to thed 6th, and discovered that their attempts were pitifully inadequate. Verbal Description is Futile! As the borg might say.

Thanks for your post.

Cheers

Rok, aficionados don't intellectualize the music we call jazz. Before "you tube" we were limited to words, which are a horrible way to communicate music. Now we can communicate with music, it makes statements that words can not be found to express. Maybe that's why Miles was so horrible with words, they failed to communicate anything he was trying to say.

Music is like a gigantic mirror of the times in which it was created; notice how music of the 40's seems to have some kind of common denominator that I can not put into words; and so it is with the 50's and 60's, those decades also have some kind of "common denominator".

When someone posts a statement with music, I can understand what they're saying much better than with just words. "You tube" has blessed us with a quality of sound, higher than we ever had, back in the day. For example; I'm sure I heard Miles and "Bird" on "Night in Tunisia" before, but I never heard it without distortion, pops, clicks, and record noise almost as loud as the music. Musicians have a sound as distinctive as the human voice, and I can't think of anything more distinctive than that. If you were in a crowded room with everyone talking, you would instantly recognize an old friends voice, even if you didn't see his face; that's what I mean about hearing this persons unique sound, not his style, but his musical voice that makes him different from any other musician before or after; now, we can hear things we never heard before.

Being an "aficionado" is about listening to the music. One of the most amazing people in jazz, never played any kind of instrument, she never wrote or talked about herself, but there is one statement she made that rings in my mind, that's when she told her talkative niece, "Listen to the music Hanna"; that's what being an "aficionado" is all about, listening and hearing. We hear things musicians say that can never be put into words, and others don't hear.

Enjoy the music.

Only musicians would notice something like that musical similarity between "Night in Tunisia" and "East of Suez", but not many people other than musicians are familiar with "East of Suez".

That was when Miles had something so special, that not even he knew what it was, but "Bird" heard it. Right now, that ranks as the number 1 "Night in Tunisia" for me.

Enjoy the music.

****Frogman, that's an interesting comparison between "East of Suez" and "Night in Tunisia"; one is well known, while the other is almost unknown.****

Check out the solo "break" by Kai Winding (trombone) at 1:01 on "East Of Suez".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnrYk1pq12I

He quotes part of the melody of "Night In Tunisia"; the seven note melodic fragment at the end of the repeated eight measure first phrase of NIT. Obviously, that same comparison was made a long time ago. That same little melodic fragment is first heard at :25 in the clip below.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KxibMBV3nFo

Further proof that the evolution of jazz is linear; the past influences the present and future.

****Frogman, that's an interesting comparison between "East of Suez" and "Night in Tunisia"; one is well known, while the other is almost unknown.****

Check out the solo "break" by Kai Winding (trombone) at 1:01 on "East Of Suez". He quotes part of the melody of "Night In Tunisia", the seven note melodic fragment at the end of the repeated eight measure first phrase of NIT. Obviously, that comparison was made a long time ago. That same little melodic fragment is first heard at :25 in the clip below.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KxibMBV3nFo

Further proof that the evolution of jazz is linear; the past influences the present and future.

Acman, I find it hard to believe this is a current album as well as he's playing. I've seen him live many times, good clean living has really paid off; while the other musicians might fraternize after the set, Ahmad was on his way home; that was when he was in Chicago.

"Blue Moon" is on order.

Enjoy the music.

Life is funny sometime, and you guys are living it with me in real time.

I said I remembered "East of Suez", not Charlie Ventura, because I don't. Right now I'm exploring "You tube" and what's available for purchase.

Are any of you guys familiar with Charlie? Share with us what you know.

Frogman, that's an interesting comparison between "East of Suez" and "Night in Tunisia"; one is well known, while the other is almost unknown.

Enjoy the music.

Acman3, that is a killer cut. Love Jamal! Riley and Veal also sound amazing. And for the audiophiles, it's an outstanding sounding record. Jazz Village is the jazz sister-label of Harmonia Mundi. Thanks.

"All my inspiration comes from Ahmad Jamal" - Miles

O-10, Charlie Ventura was indeed an amazing musician; one of the many who have almost been forgotten.

**** "East of Suez" sounded like some place I might want to go, it sounded exotic and I liked the music.****

Notice the resemblance to "A Night In Tunisia"; a tune that has a similar exotic flavor and was written five years earlier.

Thanks for the clip.

I missed this recording somehow. I will fix that tomorrow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcUvkO4A5Vo

O-10:

Watched Disc #1 of the Ken Burn's series "JAZZ" today. Good refresher. I have not seen it in a while. I am sure all Jazz fans have this set. It's good to watch it every now then. Watching it will, like the music itself, take you through an entire range of emotions, and remind you of what it's suppose to be.

Wynton gave brilliant commentary throughout.

Intersting fact:
Adam Clayton Powell Sr, railing against Jazz from the pulpit of Abyssinian Baptist Church in NYC. Can you imagine that?

Check it out.

It's as if someone else, "not me" posted my post. I say that because I'm learning as much about it, as if someone else posted it. As I stated, the title of the song was all that was relevant, I didn't even know it was "Charlie Ventura" playing. You must realize, that was a long time ago when I was in the 10th grade.

Today, I discovered Charlie Ventura; he was an amazing musician. Check him on "Boptura"; the man is "Bird" in disguise, that cat can bop. It was just too short.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miC0fSPwbWs

His sax also had a beautiful smooth tone on "Yesterdays". I'm just getting re-acquainted with Charlie, I like his style.

Enjoy the music.

O-10:

I think this is the first Jazz LP I ever purchased. Played it until it was unplayable. Cost $2.50. Quite a bit more now on amazon, from 'these sellers'. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfl5AVTrMfE

Cheers

The first jazz record I distinctly remember was "Jazz of Two Decades". Although it was a compilation, the cut that stuck in my mind was "East of Suez". At that time, who was playing what was irrelevant. I guess I was in 10th grade then, and I wanted to travel to far away places with strange sounding names. "East of Suez" sounded like some place I might want to go, it sounded exotic and I liked the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnrYk1pq12I

Although I'm recounting this record from memory, I didn't remember all the cuts, but thanks to "google", we can all share them together.

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Jazz-Of-Two-Decades/release/1474375

After examining this record, "Jazz of the 50's" came back to me; those cuts have remained favorites of mine down through the years, that's also why I found it remarkable that the cut from the 40's stayed with me all these years.

Enjoy the music.

O-10:

I had never heard the original either. I agree with you about the piano playing.

Music history is full of instances where the 'covers' of certain tunes supplanted the original in the public's consciousness. The Diamonds vs The Gladiolas, being a prime example.

I will always like the Lenny Welch better, because of the time in my life when it was popular. The original was great, but hell, I'm old and cynical now.

Who 'owns' tunes? Interesting question. We all know that B.B. owns this tune. Don't we? Well, don't we?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNR0iLw92Gc

Cheers

Frogman, music convey's emotion, paints pictures, and tells stories, even without words; but not everyone is in tune to the stories it tells, that's why they attempt to tell sad stories with happy music. If that person happens to be a musician, I don't get it.

Fortunately you're a musician who is in tune with the wordless stories and the pictures music paints; I'm sure I would enjoy your music immensely, but you can't let that over ride your desire for anonymity, and I understand.

Enjoy the music.

O-10:

*****I'm sure I would have enjoyed the Beys live, they have such a happy and joyous sound*******

I agree. And here is an example of that happy and joyous sound. I may have submitted this one before, but a person could listen to this everyday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jDDtUFUgbM

Cheers

****Musicians who don't understand the story behind the classics, should stay away from them and write their own music; that's my firm opinion.****

Couldn't agree more. Many of the great players made a point of not playing a tune until they knew the lyrics to the song. Of note, Dexter Gordon was known for "reciting" part of the lyrics as an intro to the tune.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmiRnPjLCA

Rok, believe it or not, this is the first time I heard the original; that piano does even more than the vocal, it captures "The Blues In The Night" while simultaneously playing "Since I Fell For You", and her vocals convey that hopeless feeling of not being able to fall out of love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bD5CDIEnbE

No one can outdo the original.

Enjoy the music.

Rok, since the CD was sitting on the player when I read your suggestion, it was easy to follow. "Sister Sadie" was as jazzy as Horace Silver intended it to be. That interplay between the sisters and brother was boss.

I really liked the scat singing on "The Swinging Preacher", maybe I'll join his church.

"Round Midnight" was the highlight of this CD, they nailed it by capturing the emotion someone feels around midnight when they're longing for their one true love.

I'm sure I would have enjoyed the Beys live, they have such a happy and joyous sound; I wouldn't even have a problem with the classics.

Enjoy the music.

O-10:

Even better, think Billie and Nina.

Cheers

O-10:

*****this is the first time you missed hitting a home run in regard to your recommendations*****

This is an outrage!!! How about a bases loaded double? :)

I have to have faith that The Lord is testing me for a greater purpose.

You need to listen to the Bey sisters instead of listening to / for Jazz Classics. Listen to the voices and the phrasing. Many, many 'Jazz Classics' were previously 'pop' or 'broadway' or even 'gospel' classics. Everyone plays music not written by themselves. Where would any genre be without that.

'Since I fell for You', is a great tune. Thank you Buddy Johnson!! Not Morgan nor Welch. Although all were good.

And why is it that, Morgan playing Johnson's tune is ok, but it's not ok when the Bey sister do it. And they Nailed it. More appealing to me than Morgan's version. No instrument can compare to the human voice, when it comes to expressing emotion. Think Ella!

You said it yourself, you were listening for the so called classics, instead of listening to the sisters. I stand by my recommendation. Play it again!

Cheers

"The Jazz Classics", are quite often short, but very profound stories about the age old "male, female" relationship. "Since I Fell For You", is just such a story.

"Since I Fell for You" is a jazz and pop standard. The blues ballad was composed by Buddy Johnson in 1945 and was first popularized by his sister, Ella Johnson, with Buddy Johnson and His Orchestra. The biggest hit version was recorded by Lenny Welch in 1963, reaching number four on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7xrQY_FLM4&feature=kp

This is the story of a young man who had a girl friend, and he was happy with his existence; that is, until he met the most beguiling and captivating woman he had ever laid eyes on; she loved him, and then she snubbed him.

Although he didn't know it, she was a "playgirl", the queen of hearts. She left the young man in an agony that he had never known before. Lenny Welch projects this to the extent I can feel his pain.

Without words, Lee Morgan tells the same story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdLtXuAlt6A

Musicians who don't understand the story behind the classics, should stay away from them and write their own music; that's my firm opinion.

Enjoy the music.

Thanks O. I loved the Old and New Dreams.

Another face of Charlie Haden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZZg46FN_rQ

Frogman, only a true aficionado, and musician would have noticed all of that. Your appreciation of that submission made my day.

Enjoy the music.

O-10, thanks for the Old & New Dreams cut. Beautiful music and one of those improbable times when ingredients that one would think would not make a good recipe somehow come together into an unusual but delicious dish. I don't mean the individual players, as they are each masters who can play in many different styles and clearly work well together, but the individual musical parts of the tune: a beautiful and haunting melody by the horns in half-time, Ed Blackwell sounds amazing in double-time (!), while Charlie Haden's bass is the glue that holds the two contrasting forces together by straddling a fine line between the two meters. I think his ability to do that so well on this tune is a great example of, as you pointed out, the "many faces of Charlie Haden". Great stuff!

Rok, I would rather git whupped with an ugly stick than post a negative response, but since I know you've been waiting for some kind of response, so be it.

The music was alright, it was this thing I have about the "jazz classics". The way me, you, and Frogman went round and round over "Moonlight in Vermont", I don't understand how you didn't know that. For me, it's a Cardinal sin to try and re-do the classics, and the Beys did it six times in a row. After that, I couldn't hear the music, but I'm sure it will sound different when my mood changes, and I just listen to their music.

While Babe Ruth was the home run king for a long time, he was also the strike out king. The reason I mention this is because your record is much better than his, this is the first time you missed hitting a home run in regard to your recommendations

Enjoy the music.

"The many faces of Charlie Haden" is a subject worth exploring, for we also explore the many faces of jazz.

Old and New Dreams was a jazz group that was active from 1976 to 1987. The group was composed of tenor saxophone player Dewey Redman (doubling on musette), bassist Charlie Haden, cornet player Don Cherry and drummer Ed Blackwell.[1] All of the members were former sidemen of free jazz progenitor, alto saxophonist Ornette Coleman, and the group played a mix of Coleman's compositions and originals by the band members.

They released two records on the German jazz label ECM: a self-titled release in 1979 and Playing, recorded live, a year later. These discs were bookended by a pair of discs on the Italian Black Saint label: a studio record from 1976 (also self-titled) and 1987's A Tribute to Blackwell, capturing the quartet's final concert at a birthday celebration for Blackwell.

Each member is now deceased, Haden died in 2014, Redman in 2006, Cherry in 1995 and Blackwell in 1992.

Here is a cut from the first LP I acquired by them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU6Jb5m9DbM

Enjoy the music.

"Individualistic" is a word that best describes Charlie Haden. Here he is with Don Cherry; listen to that kickin bass, that's Charlie Haden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp5mZxkeV1c

I just wanted to point out another one of the many faces of Charlie Haden.

Enjoy the music.

Thanks for the clips, Acman3. What a loss, and what a beautiful player he was! One of my very favorites with a very individualistic approach to the role of the bass player. The clip with Gary Foster was a revelation for me; thanks for that. Foster has always been one of my favorite West Coast alto players and I had never heard him on tenor. Great on tenor as well and to say that he has listened to a lot of Stan Getz would be an understatement; striking similarity.

Regards.

O-10:
****when I passed it after driving to "Chi Town" in my brand new "Duece".*****

Are you speaking of the iconic "Duece and a Quarter? :)

In the CDP today:

Ellington / Basie -- FIRST TIME! THE COUNT MEETS THE DUKE

The Orchestras of Duke Ellington and Count Basie playing together. That's all an aficionado needs to know.

Maynard Ferguson -- CONQUISTADOR
Everyone says it 'commerical'. I say, what does that mean, and, so what? Love it. Any would be trumpet player would. The only recording I have ever thought, from a distance, was a live band. And from Sony speakers sold in the PX.

THE GOSPEL AT COLONUS
Great Gospel singing. the Five Blind Boys are awesome.

Playing For Change
great songs and fascinating rhythms. A brilliant concept.

Fairfield Four -- STANDING IN THE SAFETY ZONE
The best recorded sound ever? Great Gospel singing.

Lari Siffre -- SO STRONG
Great songs with meaning. No weak tracks.

Cheers