I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
nsp I got the "Getz at the Gate" disc now but have no time yet to give it a listen.
Work until 3pm job in Massapequa then back home clean up and back out to NYC to see Mr. James Carter. Set starts at 8pm. will be a long day.
I’m watching the following now to remind me that no matter what I am doing I get my ass to NYC every time JC comes to town. As if I need reminding. Hopefully I can get a long conversation with him in between sets. JC starts his solo at 3:37
I do wish that accordion player was in his band but you cant always get what you want. I would love to see James in a big band setting. He seems only to do that in Europe and not that often. Maybe one day.....
schubert enough with the personal attacks. I did not personally attack you. You are entitled to your opinion as pjw says. calling Stan Getz calling Stan Getz a sexual predator is not an intelligent statement. trying to trying to equate sales of a heavy metal rock group and put that in a jazz context isn't a logical comparison. I did notice another member personally attacked you and I was going to call him on that but his post was deleted.If you don't like Stan Getz and or astrud Gilberto okay we do. Let's leave it at that.
Schubert your incessant posts to "prove" to every member of this forum that your opinions are the end all be all are, to put it mildly, bigotry.
You are entitled to your opinion and I have always respect that.
While all of us here might have differing opinions and viewpoints on subjects we should respect each other. No one can claim that his or her opinions are the only ones that count.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not your OWN FACTS.
Fact: The Getz Gilberto album was, up until much later, the number one selling jazz album with the number one selling jazz single of all time.
Fact: At a time when rock and roll was becoming the mainstream music in the U.S.A. and the beatle’s had just released a couple albums that Getz Gilberto was an international success speaks volumes of the appeal of Astrud’s vocals to the jazz community.
On another note why don’t you throw all of your Stan Getz albums in the trash (if you have any) since he was a drug and alcohol addict, bi polar, and a sexual predator.
If you think a sexual predator must be respected you need to take 101-102 Ethics at some where near you , quick.By your logic since Iron Maiden sold far more records than any jazzman you can’t argue they were not better. You post has the mentality of a 12 year old on her way to a Justin Beiber . Can’t argue with that .
pjwI was listening to vocalists Tierney Sutton and astrud Gilberto this afternoon. I think Sutton has a much better voice but that doesn't mean that Astrid is not a singer. First of all if Stan Getz chose her over anyone else I have to respect that . Astrud had a nice light delicate voice that perfectly fit the new category of music created. And also I think she did pretty well considering English is not her first language. As you said "the Girl from Ipanema" was an international hit and Still Remains very popular song anywhere in the world where it's played. You can't argue with that!!
pjwI have that CD" Mostly Coltrane" by Steve Kuhn for quite a while along with many other titles by him mostly Piano Trio settings. I regard him as a very underrated musician who has flyed under the radar for most of his career but his musician ship, songwriting talents, improvisational skills and ability to put together excellent bands makes him one of my favorite musicians.
mary_joThanks for posting on Emily Remler. I have long been a fan and have her CDs on the Concord label. I knew she died young but heard conflicting stories about having heart problems and then also other stories about a drug problem. The story you posted seem to bring out the fact that as a woman in a man's profession she seems to suffer and have difficulties in securing work and acceptance which is sad. A terrific Talent gone too soon.
I searched Stan Getz my book and found that it indeed was Monica Silfverskiöld, Stan’s second wife who came from an "aristocratic" family.
Monica was the granddaughter of Count Eric von Rosen, and a member of the privileged "Jeunesse Doree" the golden youth of post war Europe. Her mother Mary grew up on the von Rosen estate - thousands of acres of farms and woodland and lakes surrounding Rockelstad, a castle with scores of rooms built circa 1640. Monica’s mother Mary married Dr. Nils Silfverskiöld, a handsome orthopedic surgeon who was 18 years her senior.
Hermann Goring, head of the Nazi Luftwaffe (air force), once spent a few days at castle Rockelstad!
BTW, a new Stan Getz album of a live performance at the Village Gate, NYC 1961 with pianist Steve Kuhn, bassist John Neves, and the incomparable Roy Haynes on drums was just released last month. I ordered it this morning.
I may have been wrong that Getz married the wealthy countess but I remember he had a relationship with her when he was living in Europe where he met his second wife, Monica Silfverskiöld, who was the daughter of a Swedish physician. When I have the time I will search the book for the countess' name.
frogman, Stan Getz could be, and was at times, very violent. If it were not for his son he might have choked his wife to death one night. She had been secretly giving Stan some drug (I forget the name of it) that she got from a doctor.
Anyway Her (I forget her name but she was born in Europe and was a wealthy and beautiful countess) and Stan had been seeing this doctor and a psychologist to help Stan out with his addiction problems. At this time he was off of the heroin but was drinking heavily.
The doctor suggested this drug which makes you sick when you drink. If I remember correctly Stan refused but his wife went behind his back and got the drug and was slipping it to Stan daily. Stan was getting violently sick after just a few drinks and eventually solved the riddle then went into a rage confronting his wife and he pushed her onto their bed and was on top of her with his hands around her throat when their son, who had heard all the commotion, went into their bedroom and pulled his father off of his mother.
I read the book over 10 years ago so my recollection of some of the history could be a bit off but the above scene I distinctly remember because it was extremely abnormal behavior (at least I think so).
Here is the book which I highly recommend for Getz fans:
I dunno--kind of a love and hate thing here because the book was so detailed in every little cubby hole of Getz's haphazard life -- it was just shocking to read of a life so misaligned due to mental illness, yet so stupendously prodigious in his profession. I literally put the book down and just shook my head more than once while reading through it. The author speaks with a real display of knowledge concerning how music is created and innovated upon, but I think he went just a little too far in the personal trials that Getz suffered and inflicted upon others in his tormented years.
p.s. I might be extremely liberal but dislike that "observation" about affair. Imho, in my book nobody owns (posseses) anybody. I guess that the burden of the freedom is the hardest to deal with.
To be honest , when this came out I was in Japan with 173rd Airborne Brigade and never heard it till years latter probably on car radio, was nothing to me then or now.My computer has an excellent sound rig and I just listened to her on the original LP . My comments were on the post on here with her band ,That said she was no singer in "62 either . No need to be respectful , Getz wasn’t .
charzo, No one who was pissed with someone would end in "Very sad " , at least in English, which you seem to hate .
Schubert I respectfully disagree with your opinion that Astrud was not a singer.
While she was certainly no Sarah Vaughan, sing she did and "The Girl From Ipanema" became an international hit and the album it is on is still the 10th best selling jazz all time.
One reason is that few understand or even know of one of THE most accurate phrase in scripture, "the sins of the fathers are visited upon the sons" . Who knows how he was raised etc. Satan could play as well as any musician who ever lived . https://youtu.be/rtpBJRBfXfk
No minor detail that he had an affair ! The women is not a singer, period. As others have said, the singers "in the something to say category are the best". , a lot of ground but you know it when you hear it . The greatest American lady singer I know of in that category is a lady who had everything to say about the most important thing . Reminds me of Tony B. , not a phony bone in her body !
Re Getz: I have always been a firm believer in the idea that musicians reflect their personality in their playing. A mystery to me and possible exception to the “rule” is Getz who had a reputation for being a not particularly nice person when dealing with his sidemen and most people in his life, yet played so beautifully and sensitively. One of my favorite musician quotes, Zoot Sims on Stan Getz:
Stan Getz went to Brazil to record with Joao Gilberto on the session that "The Girl From Ipanema" was recorded.
They were to rehearse while waiting a couple days for the "professional" vocalist to arrive. Stan suggested to Joao that his wife, Astrud, sing in her stead until she arrived. After hearing Astrud sing Stan told Joao to call the pro and tell her to stay home because Astrud's vocals were perfect for the Bossa Nova songs they were to record. Of course later, Stan had an affair with Astrud.
I read a great biography of Stan Getz. Apparently he was a real ladies man.
I didn’t know Stan Getz so I don’t know what he thought. What I think is Astrud is a 1/2 half step above Diane Krall .How many process the gift ? Leaving out the EVERY octave I’d say about 10 million . Leaving it in about 2 million , there are languages that produce 1 in 10.
A recording off "All the Things you Are" of Krall was on jazz station in Mpls . last week . LITERALLY she sang not a note , soft wispered the entire thing , not a easy piece to begin with . Very sad .
mary jo I agree 100% with your last post. You do not have to be the perfect singer who can sing in any octave, perfectly on time, and in all genres of music and still sound great. How many vocalists truly possess this gift??
Your example of Astrud and your observation/conclusion of what she brings to the table as a vocalist is correct. Stan Getz knew what you know as soon as he heard her sing.
It is not that I do not value an educated, flawless and highly trained voice but it is the originality, the uniqueness and the daring that I often appreciate even more.
The Girl from Ipanema hits just the right place. Hardly anyone else could sing that better or more right than Astrud. I guess that the song selection gives Astrud certain power in voice expression. Meaning, not just any song could fit her. Yep, out of tune she is but she compensates that (up to some point but not always entirely, obviously) with the innocence and lightness in her voice. As if her voice is the voice of the little girl in grown ups world. Plus there is that off-key charm. She is off but you still like her. I wonder if she is aware of that out of tune singing. I wish that she is. Well, this is how I see her. The same is with the voice of Chet Baker. You say: what an awful singer he is. But let me hear him one more time...
I just received an album by the Steve Kuhn Trio with Joe Lovano titled "Mostly Coltrane"
The material is superb and Lovano and the trio sound awesome. Highly recommended! I could not find any of the studio session songs on You Tube but ran across this:
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