nsp, Thanks once again for introducing me to Grant Stewart. I have been listening to a lot of his music last couple days. Grant is living proof of what you have repeatedly been posting - there is no shortage whatsoever of jazz musicians of today that can and do play old school jazz and play it well. "Real Jazz" as Orpheus10 would say.... Here is Grant playing "old school be bop" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Lght0wPzwGrant playing Tadd Dameron’s "The Scene Is Clean" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRjR5JLMZfM
Grant playing Johnny Mercer’s "Somethings Gotta Give" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuUm732W5bQalex I hope you take note of the above. Not saying you should buy albums from current jazz musicians but there are plenty of them playing "Real Jazz" similar then your extensive collection of jazz LP's from the 50’s and 60’s. And they can play it with "emotion" Whenever any jazz musician stretches the boundaries in search of a new sound, Coltrane’s last 2 years for example, it is not going to have that "Real Jazz" sound rooted in blues. And this was just as true in the 50’s - 60’s, Ornette Coleman as another example, as it is in 2019. |
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Orpheus10, I posted this on the last page but it was overlooked. I know this is "real jazz", played by excellent musicians, and every one of them puts "emotion/feeling/soul" into their solo's. I have the album and I think its a gem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDiy7o01H2w |
Pjw, very good selection; I've been listening to it, and while it consists of some fantastic music, I would call it "jazz fusion".
Presently, I'm deep into defining music; the difference between jazz, fusion, and modern music. There is no "dictionary definition of jazz", but "jazz musicians" know the definition internally within themselves; the same can be said for fans; it's comparable to the transmission and reception of radio and television.
While I could listen to the music you submitted all night, it's not jazz. The fact that jazz has so many unique requirements, eliminates a lot of music; but that doesn't mean the other music is not as good, it's just not jazz in the strictest sense.
BTW, we don't bar any kind of music on this thread, but I guess you knew that.
In the 50's and 60's, the best jazz was determined by "The word on the street", not some writer or book. Those two decades were before the decline of our major cities, and whatever the consensus was on the street in those cities, was it; like "Who was the best musician on which instrument"? or whatever.
While I can't, nor will I try to define jazz in it's strictest sense; I know it when I hear it; however, it seems that the musicians that Alex locked in on made real jazz.
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John Zorn has written quite a few "mainstream jazz" arrangements played in an "accessible" manner by excellent musicians. The "Book Of Angels V12", links courtesy of acman3, is proof of that. Further proof can be found on BOA V11 featuring Medeski, Martin, and Wood. Not as "easily accessible" as BOAV12, MMW sound more like jazz fusion but still nowhere near some of the "way out there" Zorn compositions/arrangements/music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAbXWby68B0 |
https://youtu.be/jpnjXI9jVnI?t=4 Thanks ac.I don’t know their names but there are some fantastic arrangers in Deutschland ! Audio engineering and filming on this clip is outstanding . as in superb! (ausgezeichnet) in German . |
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Acman, I spent a lot of time listening to John Zorn's music and considered it infinitely variable while revolving around music that would have been popular at the time of Christ in the Middle East; the music never got boring.
The highest honor that I can give any music is to say that I will buy it, and that's what I intend to do about John Zorn's music.
Although it's hard for me to classify this music as "jazz", that wont make me any difference, but it might to some. The bottom line is the fact that I think it's good music that will stand repeated listens.
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It was on a real nice spring day and these heavy weight "aficionados" were having a discussion about jazz, and I wanted to get in on it. One of them was a famous St. Louis disc jockey by the name of Leo Chears. I was in my late teens at that time, and wanted to impress them with my knowledge of jazz. I began by talking about "Paul Quinichette" ; I went on and on, pronouncing his name each time like it's spelled. While I was talking, I noticed Leo had a smirk on his face. "You mean Paul Quinishay, don't you", and from that time on I never forget the correct pronunciation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKr1ndJ_yAg&list=OLAK5uy_mhCameuEheuVBFTSnMnRV81G47SxCHk4Y |
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Quinichette:
Well, I know it now. Our OP is just a wealth of information.
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Rok, did you know that Quinichette is pronounced (“Quinishay”)?
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Bar Kokhba Sextet brings together six core members of the Masada family under the leadership of John Zorn. The music act is an improvisational group from New York's best downtown artists, including Cyro Baptista on percussion, Marc Ribot on guitar, Greg Cohen on bass, Joey Baron on drums and Mark Feldman / Erik Friedlander on strings. According to Tzadik, John Zorn's music label, the band's music is "Sephardic exotica for young moderns".
The Bar Kokhba album recorded between 1994 & 1996 together with the Masada musical project was the album that started John Zorn's 2nd evolution into Masada Book Two (II) or Book of Angels during the Winter of 2005 at Tonic (New York City) after performing a ravishing set of sessions of filmworks at the Anthology Film Archives in the same city during the Winter of 2004.
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Trane and Quinichette:
My kind of Trane. Very good.
Cheers
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I only have only one CD with Lateef as leader. It's entitled 'LATEEF'S ENCOUNTERS' 12 Tracks Each a numbered Encounter. To my untrained and unsophisticated ear, there is a sameness to them all. Here is '12th Encounter'. In the notes there is a short statement under each track's title. #12, "Discovery unlike anxiety can be illuminating".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjDNeY_v1MY
I like him better in this setting. The Fatherland in 1963. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6SSs_LHWnE
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John Coltrane; "Blue Trane" can be placed with the other greatest "classic" jazz albums. When you examine the cast, you can see why.
John Coltrane – tenor saxophone
Lee Morgan – trumpet
Curtis Fuller – trombone
Kenny Drew – piano
Paul Chambers – bass
Philly Joe Jones – drums
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Pjw, you have very good taste; "Sister Mamie" is one of my all time favorites by Yusef Lateef.
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I saw Pat Metheney live on a Riverboat, he was on fire. I like the way he re-invents himself; this was a classic example of that.
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nsp,
Great links of "newer jazz" I especially liked the song from the Grant Stewart "Plus 4" album. I will be adding that disc to my collection.
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I just listened to a couple more songs off of Yusef Lateef's "Live At Peps" and have already ordered volume 1 and 2 on CD.
Really good music thanks Orpheus for posting "Sister Mami" as I never had heard of these live 2 volume releases before.
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My focus this morning is on "Yusef Lateef"; he played: Tenor saxophone, flute, oboe, bassoon, bamboo flute, shehnai, shofar, arghul, koto, piano, vocals. As you can see, he played a variety of instruments; born in 1920 and died 2013, he lived a long and very productive life; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAxdTSc_fts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ycYPKijiMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ycYPKijiMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ycYPKijiMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZSIbGgmD-wThese are his cuts that have withstood repeated listens over the years by me. While the cuts I've chosen are exotic, he's all over the map; including classic jazz on tenor sax. Please comment on whether or not you like Yusef Lateef. |
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AlexOur music buying experiences are somewhat similar. For many years I shopped in small stores that had good jazz selections and also consulted the all music guide for artists. I also did a lot of mail order and read reviews downbeat and Jazz Time magazine's. Anytime anyone placed an ad for selling music in these magazines I got on their mailing list. There was also a monthly magazine called Cadence which was devoted to All Things jazz including interviews reviews and they also sold music. when all of when all of these things dried up I turn to Amazon and my cable TV jazz station. and also now to this forum which has been a big help. I know you feel you are I know you feel you are stuck in a certain time zone regarding jazz preferences but I can assure you that many new Young Jazz musicians are playing in the style which I believe you like and I will continue to post those artists and hopefully you can find something you like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIpRFVwnIeA |
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I was listening to a female vocalist that sounded vaguely familiar, but I couldn't quite place her; it was Sheila Jordan. The reason I couldn't place her is because I saw her on TV recently. Now that doesn't sound like a good reason, but when I saw and heard her on TV, she was 90, and when she recorded the record I have she was 34; a much younger version of today's Sheila Jordan; she was one jazzy lady. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJV_oGVvHQThese are the track listings on "A Portrait of Sheila"; all of them boss. "Falling in Love with Love" (Richard Rodgers, Lorenz Hart) – 2:31 "If You Could See Me Now" (Tadd Dameron, Carl Sigman) – 4:32 "Am I Blue" (Grant Clarke, Harry Akst) – 4:12 "Dat Dere" (Bobby Timmons) – 2:43 "When the World Was Young" (M. Philippe-Gérard, Johnny Mercer) – 4:43 "Let's Face the Music and Dance" (Irving Berlin) – 1:14 "Laugh, Clown, Laugh" (Sam M. Lewis, Joe Young, Ted Fiorito) – 3:11 "Who Can I Turn To?" (Wilder, Engvick) – 3:21 "Baltimore Oriole" (Hoagy Carmichael, Paul Francis Webster) – 2:34 "I'm a Fool to Want You" (Jack Wolf, Joel Herron, Frank Sinatra) – 4:55 "Hum Drum Blues" (Oscar Brown Jr.) – 2:15 "Willow Weep for Me" (Ann Ronell) – 3:28 |
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Nice music guys, thank you.
Welcome home orpheus.
Good to see you back, schubert.
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Schubert, I let out one of our secrets (here) as opposed to "hear from you"; but don't tell any one.
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Glad to here from you too Schubert; we have some of the same problems, but we'll keep them a secret, no need to let everybody know everything.
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Very glad to see you back in battle 0-10 ! God Bless , the boss is back .
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Nsp and pjw, I listened to all of those Jackie Mac cuts and really enjoyed them. Jackie Mac and Miles were good long time friends, they both found their "individual" voices on their chosen instruments; they both can quite readily be identified; Jackie Mac at times sounds like he's crying through his horn when that's the effect he's trying to achieve.
A good jazz musician doesn't just play music, he tells a story through his instrument; that's why the best musicians aren't always the best "jazz" musicians.
Thanks for the cuts.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n2C9ybcjEQ orpheus10 Miles Davis song "So What" is probably the title most identified with him. Every time I hear this song I just think about how fresh it sounds. I don't think about 1959 or any other year. The song is absolutely timeless to me. It sets a mood that defines jazz although putting it into words is actually more difficult then the perception when you listen. I also miss shopping at record stores and going through bins of vinyl records searching for new artists at discount prices. When you were paying two to $5 per album it was easy to take a shot at a new artist to see if you liked him you asked for some Jackie Mclean so here goes. With Donald Byrd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuVDpta66C4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak8i6tW80Mg |
Frogman, Duke Pearson with Flora Purim is really different; never heard that side of Duke before. I think I'll get both of those.
Thanks.
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