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JADIS DEFY7, can not get it to sing

Hi
I hope some of you old pros can help answer my,,well lets say help me figure out how to get my Jadis defy 7 to sing. I purchased the amp used (like new, as the seller had a  Jadis JA200 mono blocks laready and the Defy sat quiet, So I bought it in 2008. Months later i purchased a  MINGDA tube pre amp, sounded AWEFUL, Not even close to my jadis Orch reference, KT90's EI tubes, that intergrtaed was really all I needed, i made a  huge costly mistake selling and buying the  DEFY 7, I do believe that w/o a  powerful pre, to DRIVE the FQ's into the Defy, the Defy will not respo9nd. 
The sound is flat, lifeless, no dynamics, The Orch Refer had HUGE sound stage, bass, GORGEOUS life like mids, nice sweet highs. 
I wanted more and bought the Defy,. 
I just had the Defy cked in Baton Rouge, had the KT90's brand new EH tuibes biased . 
I have a  ONKYO preamp arriving next week and am about to buy a  Mitshibushi Pre amp, 
I have a  LITE LS9 , chinese tube preamp, and that pre sounds like the,,no worse than the heftier Ming Da. 
This Lite LS9 is suppose to be a copy of the Jadis 200 pre, It weighs only 7 lbs, the trans is light weight.
I get  the idea the jadis Defy needs a  great hefty powerful prem, which is what folks told me back when i bought it, I did not believe them. 

I am low on  cash and will list the Defy for $3500 and i will pay shipping. 
I will then wait fora  great used Jadis intergrated, say a  DA50.

But I 1st want to try the 2 solid state pres to see if i can get the Defy to wake up.
It I can get some better respose , i may keep it and look for a  good used Audio reserach or a  macnintosh.
I do not have $6K for a jadis pre used. 
My budget is $1K
any help is greatly appreacitaed.
I have the uncredibly  SEAS Thor MTM speakser along with the CAYIN tube cd player with upgraded opamps .
As I say I am very close to selling the hge, hardly used (Like New) amp, due to my doubts that I can get the amp to respond like its tiny brother , The Orch Reference. 
btw I am the one who coined the tag *shootout* wayyyy back in 2000, or 2001 
I stared a  thread of speaker shootouts,,,and based on that long thread, i bought the SEAS THor kits. 
I now see *shoot out* is now the common tag for speaker and stereo components comparison.
My old login was Bartokfan.
Look forward to any suggestions in my dilemma.
paul
new orleans
mozartfan

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daveyf
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@mozartfan, Maybe you could explain why you continue placing blame at the Jadis’ amps feet, when you keep on describing other gear in your system that is failing...or has failed, ie the acquisition of the Marantz preamp. ( which BTW, I doubt would have been a great match up with the Jadis either!)

BTW, IF you still want a preamp suggestion for the Defy 7, I would suggest you look into a Schiit Freya +. They come in below the $1K threshold you have set and I think it would drive the Jadis well...and give you the sonic results you are hoping for. 
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@jond   +1000
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@mozartfan  You just posted an interesting point. You have found yourself in a difficult position...because you acquired an excellent amp and spent $$ to do it, without realizing that the amp is only half the picture at best. I wonder how many folks have done exactly the same thing, blown their budget on the amp ( or the preamp) and had noting left to complete the picture. This is certainly one of the 'traps' with buying separate pieces. In your case, this has led you to incorrectly assume that the amp is at fault, when in fact the upstream gear is at issue ( some, or all of it...starting with the preamp). 
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@mozartfan   I don't know anything about the Leaf preamp...but I do know that the little Schitt Freya+ that I suggested before is a very good preamp for the $$ ( friend owns one and drives his ARC amp beautifully!). Any reason why you would not consider the Schitt? ( except for maybe the name, LOL). 
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@mozartfan. Do you actually believe what you post, because the more you state your absolutes, the more you show how very inexperienced you are in this hobby.

SS amps can be exceptional, just as tube amps can as well...depends on the synergy and set up expertise that you have with your system. IMHO.
Like the member above states...different flavors.
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@mozartfan  What are you talking about with the 'cheap' connectors on the back of Jadis amps?? Cheap 2 cent brass posts...i don't think so~

On the newer Jadis amps, the connectors are superb in all ways. Do you have experience with all of the Jadis amps so that you can make such a widespread statement.
One thing about this thread, IMO, the more the OP spouts...the more he shows how truly inexperienced and biased he is. Mods...how about shutting this one down.
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@stereo5   +1

The OP just seems to be on a quest that is his own...with little thought to any of these factors. I am off this thread...total waste of time.
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