Isolation Cones vs Cheap Cables


I'm posting this here for I didn't want to hijack a recent thread on cables and the title is a little misleading.

It was suggested to a member that BDR cones offer a lot of bang for the buck compared to cheap power cords when it comes to "making an impact on sound".

I'll buy into that concept!

I was looking reading about BDR cones and it seems like a lot of folks place three of them under a speaker instead of four.  I'm going to purchase some and have to ask the question:  Why three cones and not four?  My floor standing speakers are about 48" tall and the base is only about 10" wide.  I gotta think that using three cones with my speakers would make them top heavy.  Yes?
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Showing 7 responses by geoffkait

If you’re pretending to be dense you’re doing an excellent job. Soft materials cannot isolate against bending forces nor can they transfer energy rapidly. It’s not rocket science, 🚀 Mr. Smarty Pants. 👖 
The reason BDR cones are such poor performers is because they are so SOFT. Carbon fiber is a very soft material, and it’s actually not very stiff either. You can hear the effects on the sound, the carbon fiber making it sound relatively compressed and unnatural and closed in. In fact, it’s difficult to find cones that sound worse. 

One will have much better results with hardened steel or NASA grade ceramics which are way up on the Mohs scale of hardness near diamond. The speed with which unwanted energy can be evacuated out of the system is the criterion by which all cones are measured. Having said that, vibration isolation done correctly trumps all cones alone, but hard cones are important for doing isolation correctly. are As the little mice said in the movie Babe, “that’s the way things are.”

larryi
Cones, footers, platforms--they are all tuning devices. As such, none are universally beneficial. For example, if a cone does its job of transferring vibrational energy from the speaker/stand to the floor, that may or may not be helpful--if the floor is a suspended wood floor, and the system is suffering from booming bass, coupling the speaker to the floor might turn the floor into a sounding board that makes matters worse.

>>>>Actually vibration isolation, real isolation I.e., mass-on-spring isolation, is probably the most reliable of all the various methods for vibration isolation and control. That’s why the professionals employ good solid old fashioned mass on spring isolation. You know, professionals like the isolation engineer dudes at LIGO, the project to detect gravity waves, the amplitude of which is only the diameter of a proton. When only the very best will do. Cones, footers, Herbie, Racks, Symposium, etc. just won’t cut it. And the best thing about mass on spring isolation is works both ways - it dampens self inflicted and acoustic vibration AND attenuates seismic type vibration. It’s TWO, TWO mints in one! 🤗 the degree to which mass on spring is system dependent but not whether is works or not. 

DH Cones are also very reliable due to their extreme hardness. That’s why they’re called DH Cones. Of course some people will screw up anything.

The only good vibration is a dead vibration.
I hate to judge too quickly but it appears I hit a nerve. I implore you, gentle readers, how could anyone know more than millercarbon? 
millercarbon would throw all his BDR cones in the trash if he ever heard DH Cones which are about ten times harder than carbon fiber and five times better. Millercarbon is an excellent example of what happens when you get carried away with something. Before you know it you’ve got them under everything. I implore you, gentle readers, wouldn’t it be a lot more logical to explore all available cones before committing to one brand or type? 😬 I won’t even mention isolation. 😀
Too bad but even with four cones many speakers are just too tall and top-heavy to be safe. A Maple board with dimensions around 2x2 feet under the speaker, then the cones under the board, should be more stable. Nevertheless......