Is Full-size speakers for L-R Rears advisable?


I’m slowly upgrading my Stereo setup to HT.

Currently, I’ve full-size (FS) Tyler Acoustics Linbrook System II speakers for LR connected to Luxman M-900u Amplifier (150W @8 Ohm) & matching Center speaker (unused). To match sonically, I’m considering buying a pair of either bookshelf or similar/ better FS speakers from the same brand (Tyler Acoustic).

The questions I have are:

1.) Will a pair of FS rear eliminate the need for a dedicated Subwoofer or it would be better to get a dedicated Subwoofer & buy either a pair of bookshelf or FS speakers for Rears?

2.) If I get a dedicated Subwoofer, getting a FS speakers for rear will make any difference compared to Bookshelf speakers?
3.) Will I notice any positive difference if I buy more expensive fullsize pairs from Tyler & use them as Front LR & move the existing Linbrook System II pairs to Rear or it’s always better to keep the LRC with the same model/ series?
4.) Since they’ll be connected to a separate Amp anyways, does it matter if the Front & Rear speakers have different impedance (8 vs. 4 Ohms)?
5.) How should I drive the remaining 3 channels? Should I get 2 pairs of Stereo Amps (one will remain unused) or buy 3 Mono Amps?
6.) Does Amplifier’s Power Output wattage also have to exactly match for all the 5 channels or it can be close (+/- 50 Watts)?

7.) Do the Amps also have to be from the same brand? 


LRC: Linbrook System II
Frequency Response: 32-25k
Sensitivity: 89db
Impedance: 8 ohm
Power: 30-250wpc

hitsofmisses

The original surround sound standard does not include a need for FS speakers for anything other than LR.  All other speakers were 200hz and up. This has been carried through for decades now in the cinemas. Bass has always been handled by sub-woofers. 

@pcolvin - In the mid 1980s I worked in theaters as well as a major manufacturer of electronic equipment and racks for theaters.  I am going to call you out and say state your sources.

I’ve been behind at least a dozen different theater screens and can categorically say that the main LCR speakers were always full range and identical.  Surround speakers were usually different in large part because they had to be mounted up about 12’ high and were quite visible.  Surround speakers were therefore size limited and there were limitations in the high frequency content in the original Dolby Surround tracks, but we can think of them as full range. 

In addition to being behind the screen I also helped calibrate a variety of commercial movie sound processors, my experience ends before Dolby Digital however.  None of them had built in bass management to enable a subwoofer.

The subwoofer you say was always there was most certainly not.  It wasn’t until the limited use of Sensurround in around 1971 that there was EVER a subwoofer in a theater.   And while that was an important achievement it wasn’t until Dolby Digital that a separate low frequency effects (LFE) or bass management was even a normal thing in theaters.  As far as I know the standard is still for full range speakers behind the screen AND subwoofers.  The use of small main speakers is strictly a home thing.

The other weird thing you state is that they were limited at 200 Hz.  No idea where this comes from.  Even when THX started branding satellite speakers as THX certified the THX spec was you used a sealed speaker that went down to 80 Hz. Any higher than that and the bass would be directional.  The sealed requirement was to ensure proper phase and amplitude matching with the subwoofer.

 

@erik_squires I was the engineering manager for Litton-Westrex until 1983 (when it was sold to Quad-8) which did sound-on-film since the Jazz Singer in 1929, 6-channel film recorders, and record cutting lathes/cutting heads. 

At the time I worked there I was involved with the early days of Dolby and DTS for the theatre, and my engineering staff included Keith O. Johsnon (who created the dbx Sub-harmonic synthesizer which was used to drive subs for the Pacific Cinema Dome in Hollywood) and Terry Beard (of DTS). 

In partial answer, at the time Altec-Lansing A-1’s with the multi-cellular horn was used behind the screens (depending on the size of the theatre you had LR or LCR) and was run from a 35W/chl tube amp, and for Dolby Surround Electro-voice was used (various models) for the surround channels with Ray providing the upgrade to the amplification chain.  In the theatre world if you want to put out something new you have to pay for it yourself: Universal Sensaround was similar in case as Universal paid for the equipment and installation to have it put into the various theaters and removed it afterward.  Subs were not added until the time of Dolby and THX.

Sounds like you worked around the Hollywood area.  Outside of Hollywood, most of the theaters were 35mm optical with A-1s behind the screen and, again, some 35w tube amps. No equalization was done beyond the original Academy curve, which was provided in the amps:

Key Characteristics of the Academy Curve:

  • Flat response: The curve is flat from 100 Hz to 1.6 kHz. 
  • Reduced bass and treble: The response is attenuated (reduced) at lower frequencies (40 Hz, 7 dB) and higher frequencies (5 kHz and 8 kHz, 10 dB and 18 dB respectively). 

Hence, no need for subs.

 

Additionally, remember that at that time you were, and still may be, shooting sound through a fabric screen with a bunch of tiny holes in it.  The Academy curve took this into account as it also took into account that you were laying sound tracks onto the film between the sprocket holes and the film frames. 

Back in the 80's Ray Dolby, Tomlinson Holman, and Terry Beard had to prove to the Academy and the theatre owners that changing sound quality would result in increased sales. It took a lot of time, experimentation, and show & tell before what we have today caught on. Terry's use of separate time-synced CDs/DVDs under the DTS (Nuoptix) name brought digital audio into the mix, whereas before Ray had to deal with a encoded stereo and 4 channel optical mixes (unless it was a 70mm release).