Is a Linn Sondek LP12/Lingo/Ekos with a Cirkus update, the last turntable I’ll ever buy?


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Value for money is not, it would seem, high on most high end manufacturer's list. Not to say there are not a few companies that do offer value for money, but they do seem to be the exception, and not the rule, IME.
Probably a big part of this issue, is that there simply isn't a big enough audience in the hobby to insure that through mass production an acceptable profit is realized; therefore leading to a maximization of profit per unit sold...which means the value for money equation is similarly negatively impacted. IMO.
There is something called the Veblen Effect, where more expensive is often perceived as offering more value. This is common in high end products. An excellent example is Campagnolo, who makes bicycle components. During the 1970s a Japanese company called Sun Tour came up with a derailleur system than was better in every way than Campy units and because the former were built to a price formula rather than what the market would bear, were a lot cheaper than the latter and so found their way onto lessor expensive bike frames.


Part of the Veblen Effect is simply that more expensive doesn't mean its actually better. If you can find a piece priced to a formula rather than what the market will bear, you're likely to get a better deal. Technics is one example of that, and they built their new turntables in sufficient quantity that they are considerably less expensive than the competion that performs at the same level. Another way to think about this is what would a Technics SL1200 cost if built by a small company with only 4 employees, and maybe only in quantities of 10 rather than 1000? The answer is probably 'about 3-4 times more'...






The last time I heard one was a year and a few months ago.  It seemed well- set up; the system in which is was playing sounded very good!

When was the last time you heard a new SL1200G; especially, when was the last time you heard one with an upgraded arm like a Triplanar?
@daveyf  I've service thousands of turntables over the last 45 years.

The new Technics is nothing like the old SL1200 although it looks the part in every way. I took one apart with an eye to see about building a different plinth for it, and was surprised to see that it was a new design from the ground up (and so decided a new plinth wasn't needed)! So I'm not sure its fair at all to say that there is no upgrade/update path- Technics seems to have belied that comment to some degree. It employs 6 different damping systems in its construction (including a damped platter). Its bearing is nice and quiet to begin with, but there are after-market parts that can be fitted to it as well.


It is certainly more speed stable than most belt drives (and to verify this, use a Sutherland Timeline and see how well whatever 'table under test is able to keep the lazer dot from moving...). We used to make a turntable called the model 208 (since it looks for all the world like an Empire 208) and I would have no problem expecting that to run circles around any Linn, but I'll also be the first to tell you that the Technics is a better machine- its plinth is both dead and rigid, essential to prevent colorations, and its one of the most speed-stable machines available. None of that 'cogging' nonsense either.
If you could only have one turntable and had to live with it or the rest of your life, then buying one table that has nowhere to go as to upgradeability could be perceived as advantageous!
OTOH, if you wanted a platform on which to build as time goes by and to stay current with the best in analog ability, then the LP12 is far preferable to any Technics. IMHO.
@daveyf 

I guess I don't get this at all. Here's why:https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=vinyl&m=1149409You might have to google 'Technics Triplanar' and click on images to see what I'm talking about: https://www.google.com/search?q=technics+triplanar&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjSq5Hh4f_qAhUW_6wKHQE...

The point is there is a lot you can do to improve the Technics (like add a Triplanar arm to it), but IMO it starts off at a better point than the Linn...


If I had only one turntable to buy and live with for the rest of my life it would be a new Technics. They are more speed stable than most 'high end' audio turntables and also really low colorations due to vibration. IMO/IME their biggest weaknesses are the rubber platter pad (easily replaced) and the arm (although compared to many high end audio arms the Technics arm is no slouch).