Interconnects and non-believers

I see geoffkait will soon hit the big 10,000. 

Grand prize: 1 ft of cable priced at $10K per foot. 

If there is not $12K worth of cable inside each component, why should we put $12K worth of cable between each component?

I’m not gonna pay a lot for that cable!

Boxer12, I’ve tried expensive cables. I found the claims made by the manufacturers to be wildly overstated and nowhere near worth the cost. 

As for newbees argument that maybe my system is not revealing enough, I have a Koetsu Onyx, and components to match. 

me thinks clearthink is not thinking clearly.

With regard to personal and subjective: learn to read what people are writing. I said “I FOUND”. If YOU want to spend $12,000 on connects, be my guest. I’d prefer to help the poor in Latin America.

With regard to Koetsu being “hopelessly colored”: wow. Just wow. You are sounding silly now, and are trying way to hard to prove your point, since - assuming for the moment that your claim is true - it’s irrelevant to the point that I’m making, which is simply that it is a high end and revealing cartridge. I know of none more revealing, but it is not my only cartridge. I have a van den hul and a Benz as well, and they are also very revealing. I use them accordingly to the program material I am listening to. I’ll let you guess which is which.

Geoffkait I’ll never catch up to you. You must not have to work for a living. I’m busy with a job that’s trying to make an impact on the world and that takes up 12 hours of almost every day. 

As for spelling, is that the best you can do? I’ve hung around here almost as long as you have, and am quite familiar with your reputation.

I spend 98% of my time here reading what others have to say. Wise people tend to keep their ears open and their mouths shut. Clearly a lesson you have yet to learn. Ciao. 

clearthink, I'm too busy to invest more time in this nonsense, you will have to have the last word.

clearthink still can’t think clearly, but he’s clearly as argumentative as geoffbait.

As I said, and is obviously in need of repeating for clearthink - maybe he is suffering from emotional depravations that incline him to argue instead of listen and discuss (if he did, he might be inclined to ask why someone would prefer a Koetsu in many listening situations instead of his van den Hul, arguably one of the most analytical cartridges out there) - my opinions are of my own, and not those of my company, audiogon, certainly not of my wife, lol... etc etc

btw since you made the claim about a scientific test of the Koetsu that somehow makes it such a poor cartridge, please produce the test. Not that it matters: I'm sure there are tests that I could pull that would refute it, not that I have the time to do that mind you.

Clearthink, the alleged proselytizing was simply meant to be a turn of phrase designed to put things in perspective, but you're running with it. Says more about you than me.

And btw I'm probably old enough to be your granddaddy. I used to brag about being at the Hendrix New Year's Eve show at the Fillmore, now it just dates me.

K, I've really got to get back to work. Have a good weekend.

Muddythink:

”there have been many instances where cable differences have been scientifically shown, proven and established these include measurement based tests as well as double blind, scientific controlled double blind listening tests and yes these are reproduceable”

show me even one. I asked you already. You have failed to substantiate your position, one that I regard as a placebo-induced theological stance. 

Clearthink: “You can STFU now.”

wow. What a classy guy. Have to resort to crude language now, do you?

thanks for the link. I’ll read it but it’s highly unlikely to move the needle. Imho these things don’t pass cost benefit analysis.

Btw, I have an engineering buddy who has 6 Grammy awards for his engineering work for Deutsche Grammophon. He built his own recording studio, speakers, etc and designed his own editing software. And he can play world class violin. The guy is a genius. His opinion: Are there differences? Yes. Are they meaningful? Don’t waste your money.

Do what you want. Just don’t expect me to follow you down that marketing rabbit hole.

On another note, my friend also says the Shure V15 type III was maybe the best cartridge ever made. Only $500 in its day. Good does not have to be expensive. The unique, proprietary needle design was half the magic, finding a used cartridge and re-tipping it is an impossibility. 

Muddythink,

A - do you know how to read? I said “do what you want”
B - don’t characterize me as something I am not in order to coddle your own insecurities. I am an agnostic. I do my research and then come to a conclusion. I’ve tried several expensive cables in my system, I got MAYBE 5% improvement. The price didn’t justify it. YOU are the one who is set in your ways, but the Marxist in me in your case does not ascribe it to theology. You are so invested in your position that I’m beginning to suspect that you work for a cable company. 
C - as for my friend, this audience deserves to know that there is highly credible professional opinion out there that doesn’t by into the claims of cable manufacturers, which he regards as overstated. 

I am now done with this thread. Carry on, have a nice weekend. 

Florida71, boxer12,

speaking of threads, I have a friend who has been experimenting with shoelace for speaker wire. Currently in blind testing. I’ll let you know when the results are in.

in all seriousness, I’ve worked as a creative director in healthcare marketing for 25 years. The FDA rigorously scrutinizes every claim, each and every one must have substantiated data. That’s why I’m particularly skeptical of any claim, never mind overblown ones.

boxer12,

Deutche Grammaphon doesn’t hire slackers. his 6 Grammies speak for themselves. How many Grammies do you have?

that said, I had a Shure. It was great and probably still is under certain conditions. I use Koetsu and van den Hul now. 

Shawshank, people may hear the difference. Assuming that the difference is not a placebo effect or confirmation bias, that’s not the point. The point is: is it worth $12K? 

I suppose if you are spending $600K on a pair of Magico Ultimates, than what’s a mere $12K for cable. 

Aalenik:

MY mind is like a plastic bag. 

https://youtu.be/MFv53VolRj8

Prof, the problem with this thread is imbedded in the title: “interconnects and non-believers”:

Jesus and non believers
Buddha and non believers 
Muhammad and non believers 
the devil and non believers 
Freud and non believers 
Marx and non believers 
capitalism and non believers 
vegan and non believers 
astrology and non believers 

some of these require a faith based approach. To some of these, a faith based approach is often applied. So too with COC (the Cult of Cables). 

Bleeds, nice try, but you and so many cable cultists and marketers here conflate my point. I am not saying that there is no difference, I am saying that the differences, small as they are, do not justify the exhorbitant prices asked for from audio enthusiasts, gullible and vulnerable as they are to grandiose claims due to their enthusiasm.

Ok, accepting for the moment that the cable cultists are correct, then they rightly should pursue the logic of their argument to its penultimate end:

https://youtu.be/XJJy6VJvSCk
Japanese audiophile goes to the extreme

the ultimate end, of course, would be to build your own private power station, preferably in your back yard to minimize the risk of unwanted radiation entering transition lines. 

“One thing I’ve found about interconnect cables is you have to be patient through the ‘break in period’l.

I hear the same logic from used car salesman: “the car isn’t running as well as it should? Hey dude, c’mon, give it some time to break in!!!”

Somebody - was it Prof? - mentioned speaker break in.

For what it it is worth, my speakers sound different depending on weather conditions: temp, humidity, air pressure etc

and somebody posted a link to The Cable Cooker. At first I thought it was an Onion thing, then I realized they were serious.