ganainm
Cleeds: "That doesn't mean that everything we've heard is illusion."
Couldn't pass this up! Maybe it is! You're certainly free to believe that unless you are blindfolded everything you hear, see and feel is an illusion. I think that's a nonsensical way to go through life.
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jssmith
I always ignore subjective views and my viewpoint is "if you didn't hear it blind, you didn't hear it." That's absurd. Most of us hear things all of time, yet we're not living our lives blinded. That doesn't mean that everything we've heard is illusion. |
profHow do you think we could determine hype from substance, and just as important, self-delusion from reality?
The best approach is to use the same techniques that have proven effective in the rest of your life. After all, deceit and propaganda are everywhere.
First, ditch the fear. It's a negative emotion that can cloud your judgment. Second - and this is important - understand the subtle distinction between illusion and delusion. If you can avoid being fooled by illusion, then you are not much at risk for delusion.
Avoid snap judgments and evaluate "expert" advice carefully. Do at least some of your own research. That means not simply reading the opinions of others, but diving deep enough to conduct your own analysis. In audio, that means you are going to have to do some of your own, first-hand testing.
The truth tends to be revealed over time. Those who seek instant answers are the ones most easily fooled.
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unreceivedogmaOk, accepting for the moment that the cable cultists are correct ... Correct in what? You’ve already stated that the question isn’t whether there’s a difference in cables. So what exactly is the argument you’re trying to make - other than to just further an argument? ... then they rightly should pursue the logic of their argument to its penultimate end: https://youtu.be/XJJy6VJvSCk
I’m not sure what the link provided has to do with premium cables at all. And please explain what you mean by the "penultimate end." If you truly believe your statement, what would be the "ultimate end?" I suspect that you really don’t know what the word "penultimate" even means. But then you seem rather confused, generally. |
unreceivedogmaBleeds, nice try, but you and so many cable cultists and marketers here conflate ... You are either badly confused, or otherwise just being argumentative. I'm neither a "cultist" nor a marketer.
You've already stated that it isn't whether there's a difference in cables - we've already shown that there is - but:
The point is: is it worth $12K?
You've made it clear you don't think premium priced cables are worth the cost, and that's a perfectly valid personal opinion. So you've made your point. Or ... is there an agenda that you're still rather surreptitiously pursuing here??
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unreceivedogma
... To some of these, a faith
based approach is often applied. So too with COC (the Cult of Cables). Actually, you have this backwards. There's quite a bit of evidence that shows there can be audible differences between cables, some of which I think has been provided to you. So to the extent there's a "cult," it comprises the tiny, noisy minority in denial of the facts, and that seeks to argue its position with a seemingly endless prattle of ill-logic and, often, personal attacks.
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prof
... I only use the regular supplied AC cables with all my gear. Yet
somehow when I listen to systems in which every AC cord has been
replaced with expensive upmarket cords, and there are power regenerators
and all the things claimed to make revelatory differences....I come
back home and hear on my system pretty much all the glorious things I
heard on the super-expensive-ac-cable systems ... That's really not saying anything because there are so many variables. Why not try an "upmarket cord" in your own system? |
profThat's
weird. I had skimmed
a post
... but it was
removed. I wonder why? Moderators routinely delete posts that are abusive, profane or significantly off-topic; that promote illegal gambling; or that reveal a user's personal information. Thank goodness. It's all in the Terms of Use.
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astelmaszekYou
should go check out what cabling is used in multi million dollar
recording studios by master mixing engineers. The market is more or less
owned by canare at a dollar a foot carrying weak microphone signals
over hundreds of feet of wire. That's not true. Many recording studios have chosen cables with great care, and examples of that have been posted here previously.
For all intents and purposes, audible audio signal might as well be DC
as far as physics is concerned. Huh? That doesn't make sense - audio signals are very much AC. If you have DC in your audio cables, you have a major problem on your hands.
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devilboyFor
over 20 years I've been buying and selling equipment ... The lunacy of the high-end supported by the
claims on forums like this, is what finally made me get out ... Really? You gave up on a hobby because you didn't like some of the forums that discuss it? That seems silly to me. Who cares what other people think? Enjoy what you like!
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