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Integrated or Separates?

This is my new 2-channel system that will only have the basics: CD source, Pre/Amp and speakers. Speakers, so far, will be pre-owned Proac Response 2.5's. Speaker cable currently is Monster Reference Z2 with spades. Source will be a quality CD in the $1500-$2000 range (used GamuT, Naim, Cary, Arcam, etc.). IC's yet to be determined. For Pre/Amp, a couple local dealers are pushing integrated amps (i.e., Plinius 8200 MK2) as the solution unless, in one dealer's words, you're going to spend $6000 on the Pre/Amp combo. My budget is only $2000-2500 for Pre/Amp new or used. Do you agree that a "quality" integrated makes sense for this system and budget? If not, what would you suggest? Music is jazz, classical, soft rock and voice. Room is 15'x17'x8' and open on two sides (living room). Thanks so much for your thoughts.
horn_blower
rbstehno
1,454 posts
 
listen to a mcintosh ma6500 integrated. very nice. can pick up a used one for around $2000. I used to own one but went to seperates.
cellorover
419 posts
 
The integrated route is probably the better path to follow, unless you go after a really good an amp (new or used)and a passive device since you only have one source. I am doing this.

Options on this level or numerous, but cost effective and good sounding are used McCormack amp and pre, Pass Alpha 30.

As for integrateds, Plinius is excellent. Also look at Consonance, Blue Circle, Conrad Johnson and Pathos.

You may find that you will need to change your speaker wires too.
horn_blower OP
12 posts
 
Cellorover,

Thank you for your reply. Now let's get to the bottom of your statement
"You may find that you will need to change your speaker wires too."
Are these speaker cables, shall we say, sub-par? I can't justify spending $1,000 on spreaker cables, but maybe one doen't have too? Ayway, started with the Monster Ref Z2 but would appreciate any suggestions for reasonably priced substitutes that provide a sonic improvement worthy of the investment. Thank you for your help.

Regards,
viggen
838 posts
 
Definitely give the CA50 a try or get a VT50 and a cd with volume control.
cellorover
419 posts
 
Horn Blower--

Sorry for any confusion. You may find that when you put all the pieces together that there may be other wires that mate better with the amp you select or make your ears happier. I have found that the Supra Screeend 3/4 Ply wires works great in my systemn as do Mapleshade and Acoustic Zen. But the Supras are what I own as they sounded the best. My daughter and son are "negotiating" over the Mapleshades. As I change amps next month, I expect to listen to other wires once again, but will start with what I have on hand. I am using a CJ MV 60 and decided to move over to the CJ MF 2250A. (BTW, thanks everyone for your input. It came down to the CJ or Aplha 30.) I run my CD player direct to my amp with a Rodersteen attenuator internally hardwired (about a 45 minute project).

Hope I have clarified things. If you have any other questions, please do not hesitiate to send me an e-mail.
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