In your opinion, what is Hi, Medium and Low end?


Hey All,

I am new to this arena and for all the reading and homework it seems like there is a lot of circumstance out there. It seems that the comment that I see the most is, “…see how it works with your system.” And while this is true about a great many things in life it seems that we are all trying to find a sense for balance for our budget. The other thing that I learned is the spending a lot will not always yield the desired result.

So…regardless of price, here is my question. In your opinion, if your were to put together a system (say something to do it all, as I don’t know about everyone else but I couldn’t afford one for music and one for movies and other activities) in the following three categories: as high medium and low; what would it look like?

Say maybe with the following categories:

1) Processor, Preamp & Amp OR Receiver
2) Sources (CD, Phono or whatever)
3) Cables (Speak, Interconnect and whatever)
4) Power and related products
5) Other tweaks

Did I miss anything? Please feel free to add. :D

There are no motives hear but to learn, I have just bought a bunch of stuff that make me happy and I am just curious or maybe trying to prove that I am not on crack. ;-)

Cheers,

Blu
blu_audio
Mr.Schroeder,When you say let the experienced help.It reminds me of my boyfriend buying these big round cylinders because his experienced stereo dealer told him it would improve the bass.It didn't happen.He now tells me he needs sub woofers.
Can audio dealers be trusted.
As for gear,its analog that thrills me,digital chills me.
Did you build the room just for your listening pleasure??
Gogirl, There are gradations of "professional" everywhere one looks. I have found most audio dealers to be very sincere, helpful and knowledgeable. Sometimes it's very difficult for the dealers to know precisely what the customer's precise definitions of "lots of bass" etc. mean. Terminology can be tricky, as is evidenced by occasional arguments here over such things. The more knowledge you bring into the store, the more they can apply their experience and knowledge to help. No, I've never been an audio dealer. :)

One thing that might be helpful is for you to get names of components, then look at reviews/recommendations online to see what the consensus is. Certainly if there is a general concern there are many helpful people here on "Agon" to help. A review may state, "The low end was a bit shy..." and someone here will say, The bass sucked..." Well, maybe not THAT drastic! Neither statement tells you that the speaker could only go down to, say, 40Hz and was incapable of making the booming low end.

You can check out "Specifications" of components - the performance parameters at the end of manuals, and often times listed online with speakers, amps, etc. With speakers, before buying you can look up the specifications and see what the "bass response" is - how low and how high the bass goes.

A simple scale to assess how much "ooomph" in the low end a speaker will have:

Down to 50Hz - phhhht. no "boom" to speak of

Down to 40Hz - getting there; this is the point at which a fair number of audiophiles say, "Below this point it's not that critical," since there's a ton of nice sounding bass happening at this point.

Down to 30Hz - Now this speaker is getting good. It's going to have some visceral feel to it and when cranked up you'll begin to feel the vibrations. Many audiophiles want speakers which can generate bass at least in the 30Hz range.

Down to 20Hz - now down into subwoofer territory, or speakers with huge drivers (i.e. 12", 15"). (There are other technologies to do this, but I'm simplifying). Speakers which can go from "20-20" or 20Hz (super low) to 20,000Hz (super high) are considered true Full Range speakers.

Below 20Hz - this is getting into very costly, huge speakers usually. These speakers sometimes have subwoofers in separate enclosures/cabinets or have subs built right into the cabinet. It's very common for people with smaller speakers which can't do the low bass to supplement with a subwoofer or two. I tend to prefer a full range speaker over smaller speakers with subs. But it's not a huge deal when you have made the commitment to major upgrades every six months, like you said, right? :)

So,... check the specs of the speakers you have and you can tell if you will need to add a subwoofer to get your low end sound.

Yes, the room was built specifically for two channel audio. I had never built anything prior - the change of homes and the space to do it motivated me. It looks simple/straight forward, but I put the majority of the effort into the walls, ceiling, etc. It would have been an oversight to not put in surround (7.1), but 95% of the time I listen to two channel. I wired the room for cable but haven't hooked it up. I enjoy reading more than TV; watch a movie on the 100" screen maybe once a month. The room is so quiet that I can hear if a light bulb filament is buzzing.

I enjoy the experience of walking into that room every time. I had a nice compliment paid from a speaker manufacturer who came by three weeks ago and was using a laptop and analyzer speaker calibration equipment) to set up some special speakers for review. He said that the room sounded like a mastering studio. I have been in a couple recording studios and I do feel that I ended up with a good acoustic space. I built it to be acoustically isolated from the rest of the house; the utilities are on the other side of the wall and they cannot be heard. My boys' bedrooms are above and they can sleep while I play music at whatever level I like.

It took me 8 months and a tremendous amount of learning and work, but it turned out exactly as I had hoped. I can understand (again, as many, many here at Agon) the excitement, frustrations, etc. of working one's way up over the years to achieve an excellent system which makes the hobby very fulfilling. When I was in college I thought I would never be able to own a high end rig. I worked for 20 years putting in about $500 to $1,000 per year on upgrades. I could have put in more but chose to allocate my resources otherwise. When people see the rig (old pics and components shown; sorry!) and realize it cost the price of a nice automobile they have a tendency to be shocked. I keep telling them, "...twenty years."

I and many others here are living proof that with patience one can successfully reach wonderful dreams! Now, lately I have been thinking that if I work the same system I could in about 15 years possibly have a classic car. In less time I could have a nice cycle.

Enjoy the pursuit of the audio dream now, because life can throw serious changes at us. Health, marriage, motherhood, can all influence. The beauty of audio is that it's adaptable, you can fit it in somehow almost anywhere, and there are usually excellent products for every niche.

If you have the name of the speakers, there are people here with expertise and experience who can suggest good subwoofer matches.

I've enjoyed chatting; I am going to bow out for a while. I will let some others share. There is a tremendous wealth of knowledge here.
Mr.Schroeder,Thank you for sharing your knowledge,patience and wisdom with me.I sincerely hope you enjoy all you have accomplished.Speaking with you has humbled me.
As a 24 year old I may be a little late coming to this hobby

I started in this hobby right around that age too...it's certainly not late. Now I'm twice your age and have over 24 years into it. I've definitely settled into certain preferences and have held onto the components that fulfill them for almost a decade of that time, though I continue to tinker and try alternatives now and then. You've gotten some really good advice in this thread and I've enjoyed reading many of the responses to your queries here. Thank you for contributing. I'd definitely agree with those who advocate the more 'relaxed' approach to listening and enjoying this hobby. You will find out what matters to you and what doesn't with time and experience. No need to rush things as it's all good if it's about the music. If the gear or the hobby takes you away from the music, I'd say it's time to reevaluate your participation in the hobby (unless, of course you enjoy that aspect of it). There are certainly those who take great pleasure in tweaking and obsessing over the gear itself, and the performance of the gear for gear's sake. There's nothing wrong with that if its what you enjoy, go for it. I've always been in it for the enjoyment of music and just as soon have the gear disappear (metaphorically and physically, though the latter is a bit of a challenge). It's nice to see younger people interested in this hobby, enough to participate in a thread like this. There are a few others here too so you're not alone. Wow, an analog junkie too. Nothing wrong with that, but keep an open mind as digital has come a long way over a short period of time and continues to advance (meaning better performance available at more affordable prices). By all means, pursue the analog though if you have the desire and patience you will be greatly rewarded. You should try to attend one of the larger audio shows like RMAF in CO (October) to see and hear the range of some of what is available...take your BF and your dad! Though the hotel rooms and short setup period are not the best place to judge a system, the vendors do a pretty good job, considering that handicap. I don't go often, but it's certainly fun once in a while. There are other shows as well - CES/The Show probably the biggest of them but you'd have an awful lot to filter out there. As far as trusting dealers; just like people there are good ones and not so good ones. Pointing at an agenda ($) is an obvious detractor to seeking advice there, though that is certainly not always the case. Real-world advice, as in what you might get here in the forums, could also come with its own agendas and detractors to some degree, but in most cases they are not driven by commerce (although they certainly can be). If you participate in the forums long enough, and get involved in building your own system at the same time, you'll get to know various folks here and get a sense of where they're coming from. Have fun!

Jax2,Thank you.I may do just that.Going to shows should be fun.I mentioned to my dad that I joined Audiogon.He asked me not to embarrass him.He doesnt have my user name but he will figure it out soon enough.Growing up he would allow me to sit and listen with him.When his buddies came hear to listen and i entered the room most times he would ask me to leave if I didn't respond he would say i told you to leave,now go girl
Hence the name.
I had no idea that there are so many audio people with knowledge that will take the time to help a novice.I thank you all again