Importance of phase and timing optimization when incorporating sub woofers ?


For incorporating a pair of sub woofers into a music system, how important is it to be able to optimize phase ( continuous adjustments and not just 0 or 180) and timing ( optimizing delay ) ? Reading on this subject, some say to get the best seamless integration, the two above factors are essential. REL is frequently mentioned as the most musical/fast/detailed sub woofers for music, however they only allow of 0 or 180 deg phase and no other room correction, as compared to Velodyne DD’s or JL Audio’s. I could utilize something like the JL Audio CR-1 crossover, but adding an additional piece of equipment into the audio chain wouldn’t be my first choice. On the other hand, the added benefit, might make the addition of a well made crossover a net plus ??? Regardless I plan on having my room/system measured to assist with incorporating what ever two subs I go with.
Thoughts from experienced users?
jim94025

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What's funny is I literally just did this last week. I used the OmniMic DVD test to align the subwoofer to the center channel.  My audio processor's distance setting was too coarse, so I got it as close as I could, and watched the frequency response change with each change in sub delay.  First a dip, then, slowly, the dip disappeared.

Physics.

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+1 nekoaudio

@snbeall - In an ideal world, you are right. I mean, DSP itself adds processing time, so even if you originally had subs at the same distance acoustically as your mains, just putting a processor in the bass path introduces 1-2 mSecs of delay (i’m guessing).

In practice though, I find that matching the phase and slopes correctly using the sub alone can be really really good sounding. This keeps your mains "pure" and your sub disappears.
No it could not possibly matter less.  


Man who constantly argues against science completely misunderstands the problem, writes nonsense in long form.
Yes, it is very important. In this sense, phase adjustment = delay adjustment and is something you can easily do with a miniDSP unit. Highly recommended.

As you point out, EQ is also important. As is room acoustics, and setting the crossover frequency and slope well.

With no room acoustics, setting the proper delay for correct phase matching plus being able to trim off room modes is still highly desirable.

https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/minidsp-2x4-hd


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