I feel bad for speaker manufacturers


Think about it. If you were going to start a company that manufactures audio components, which would you pick? Arguably the worst business to get into would be the speaker business. Right? First, it’s painstakingly hard to market a new speaker that can break through in today’s ultra-competitive environment. Second, the development costs are relatively high because you have to invest in expensive cabinetry (at least on the high end) , electronic components, and drivers. And except for bookshelves, you have to absorb or charge so much more to get your product to your customers because of the relatively large size and heavy weight of the product. Third, and again especially if you have any floor standing speakers of any size, which, let’s be honest, any speaker company that wants to make money will have to have, you have to pay to hump these things to shows around the country and likely internationally as well.

Now let’s compare the life of a cable manufacturer. Let me state up front that I am a big believer that cables, interconnects, digital cables, and power cords can make a big difference in the ultimate sound of an overall system. Tires on a car, right? And yes, they also have several variables to deal with: silver, copper, tinned, dielectric, shielding, connectors, cryogenic, etc. But they’re all small, light, and relatively cheap. You can ship your product for next to nothing with almost no risk of damage, and you can travel to audio shows carrying all of your wares pretty much in a medium-sized backpack. Oh, and then there’s this. While speaker manufacturers are lucky if they can retail their products for four to six times their cost of production, cable manufacturers get to retail their wares for ten, twenty, or even fifty times or more of their manufacturing cost. There’s the well-worn tale of speaker manufacturers coming to shows in a rented minivan while cable manufacturers show up in Ferraris. It’s sad but funny because there’s some truth to it. I credit @erik_squires with generating this thread because in his recent thread he made me think about how hard it is to successfully create and market a truly successful speaker today. Anyway, it almost seems unfair, especially since speakers contribute so much to the ultimate sound of our systems while cables, while crucial, contribute RELATIVELY much less. What say you?
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Lost - yes lots of hard metals, engine mounts with exotic coatings, etc...

i think there are so few pistonic drivers that the case can be made that it is indeed indeed more difficult than it appears.

the low, relatively barriers to entry for crappy speakers and Stereo 70 clones ensure a long running supply of yet another Baskin Robbins flavor - no advance to the art... or the illusion....
Kosst

yes helping others and a willingness in turn to be helped, at least for me is everything....

sounds like you know your way around a mill. Myself, the worst is depleted Uranium...ha or Be

i actually think there is promise for a lighter / stiffer cone with titanium face sheets and a tapered ( wire EDM ) Ti honeycomb core, welded....no way to inspect the backside so some significant testing would be required re durability...

and yes, parts like that flying today....not cheap...

I also believe a 3 d printed core might also be possible if weights come down....2 heavy right now...
and for grins and because it matters , edge clamping distortion on a panel and the way panels store energy is audible... Those of us in the planer ( Apogee and Quad ) and pistonic ownership camps ( Vande and Thiel ) with an open mind and ears know this....of course, no speaker type is yet perfect or dominant......lots of work to do....

and microphones...those need a lot of work also....


it is useful to know what camp you are in and where others stand....especially as they give component and systems advice on seeking musical truth with a digitized re-release of Rumors .....that they have flavorized with a 2% distortion phono pre and speakers that are out of phase 20% of the time.

BTW the Balsa/ Carbon Fiber cone is not hyper low mass, it is hyper stiff and therfore pistonic... the very very specific and expensive type of balsa used is lighter than most BUT is higher mass than some aerospace foam cores..but those breakup.....
bdp24 a drummer of some note and experience is coming at this from an accuracy to pitch perspective and I believe is about the two very divergent approaches to our passion/ hobby, etc...

absolute accuracy

vs.

Baskin Robbins flavorizing....

I have several systems, one trying to push absolute accuracy and another for flavorizing and yet a third because I can....


L-100 for $4k
i think that’s cool
and not just for us old folks....

now back to my Swamp Music

Tony Joe !!!
i will keep banging the drum because it’s fun.....five parts in signal path, no emiter resistors, liquid cooling with analog control of temp and pump speed for constant bias, tube front end, HRS suspension, built in 128 V dbs for speaker wires and input XLR......

all from a “ speaker company “......

i agree the Infinity were something special, my first high end speaker as the Qb....
and I might add cabinets made here in USA starting at $1,400 the pair for VLR or 1 ci thru a retail shop where you can hear them....

before ya buy...


gee.... Vandersteen since 1977... still here and innovating
most models do not even keep pace with inflation...
DCM, DQ, Snell, And many others dead sadly...

time windows w matching subs were darn good but no match for a pair of Vandy 3... time moves on....time to play some Tull on the Treo CT..

Living in the Past....